it needs to be illegal for the government to buy data or intelligence that it could not otherwise legally collect itself.
LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
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#172I don't understand flock cameras in high crime areas. Every time somebody commits a heinous crime it's always like "they were arrested 72 times and were well known by the police" What's the point in helping the police catch criminals when they don't do anything after the fact!
Have you ever looked in who is the police? How they become police in first place? Like how police even started to be police in the first place. Is quite a ride and I can see many similarities to organized gangs.
Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
#173The best part is that flock owns the cameras and the poles so even when the contract expires the cameras keep running and recording data that flock can sell to e.g. CHP, LASD, FBI, Palantir; and LAPD can just call them and access the data the flock scam was engineered to be resilient to political pressure by giving departments and jursidictions this fake exit ability while the data continues to be harvested, it is a…
With Marc Andreessen, the boy from rural Wisconsin, major investor and ambassador of Flock Safety, now part of the federal government, expect the number of Flock civil surveillance systems to increase even more.
In the UK the government put up ANPR cameras to enforce a clean air zone.
People with electric saws love pulling them down.
They're only as permanent as their protection.
Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
#174it needs to be illegal for the government to buy data or intelligence that it could not otherwise legally collect itself.
Thats a perfect statement to close the loophole.
It obvious this should be the case, but when you dump billions of dollars getting around 4th amendment protections, lets just say it takes awhile to close the loopholes.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference between this situation, a targeted install in a problem situation, and hundreds of thousands of these cameras at every intersection in the country Also, Flock cameras are not just on roads. Many institutions use them for surveillance inside buildings. There is a community center in Atlanta that has them and there is evidence that random people with access to all Atlanta area cameras, including F…
I agree with you; I don't want a surveillance state either but I understand why people install them in their neighborhoods
Everywhere people live is someone's neighborhood. So if everyone installs it in their neighborhood the cameras are everywhere.
Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
#176The best part is that flock owns the cameras and the poles so even when the contract expires the cameras keep running and recording data that flock can sell to e.g. CHP, LASD, FBI, Palantir; and LAPD can just call them and access the data the flock scam was engineered to be resilient to political pressure by giving departments and jursidictions this fake exit ability while the data continues to be harvested, it is a…
IANAL but if this is actually true then they're violating California law.
I submitted a CCPA request to them to give me and delete everything they had on me.
Their response is that they own no data, and I have to make the request to their customer, whomever that may be.
If they're retaining any identifying data about me and then selling it to new customers, they are explicitly violating CCPA.
Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
#177The best part is that flock owns the cameras and the poles so even when the contract expires the cameras keep running and recording data that flock can sell to e.g. CHP, LASD, FBI, Palantir; and LAPD can just call them and access the data the flock scam was engineered to be resilient to political pressure by giving departments and jursidictions this fake exit ability while the data continues to be harvested, it is a…
Just out of curiosity: doesn't the US have any laws against private surveillance of public spaces? As a European I find this quite irritating (not saying we do not have problems as well with more and more cams installed and risks related to an increasing number of e.g. parking lot cams)
No, you don’t have an expectation of privacy on a public roadway, public parking lot, etc.
Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire
#178it needs to be illegal for the government to buy data or intelligence that it could not otherwise legally collect itself.
Why do you think the government couldn’t collect this information themselves? ALPRs are legal, cameras covering a public roadway are legal, and the 4th amendment doesn’t extend to driving on a public roadway.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if the cops can watch everything you do all the time, there will be less crime I disagree there. If cops watch us at all times then more crimes will be prosecuted, think they'll just sit bored with nothing happening? They will find things, real or not. The reality is that crime is way down, we do not need more enforcement. Leave us alone already. https://www.opencrime.us/years
What planet do you live on? Go to a low crime neighborhood. Cops are super friendly and basically spend their day happily helping old ladies cross the street or getting cats down from trees. If you think cops like cracking heads and dealing with petty crime that they'll just invent otherwise and use to harass people, you're out of your mind. You really need to get out more.
You're right and wrong. The first paragraph is absolutely accurate -- I live near some of these areas (SW Connecticut) and the contrast is stark.
The second is not. There are absolutely people who take pleasure in the bullying behavior cops are often associated with. They're the ones who want the cushy jobs in Greenwich but don't get them (probably for the aforementioned reasons in many cases) and wind up being doubly punitive and cruel to people in Bridgeport.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Knowing about the CEO of a company is the lowest bar for, "testament to accountability" I've ever seen.
You have someone in charge. You know who to question. You can even spam him on social media and a decent chance he'll reply. Try to get something out of the CEO of Bank of America or some other faceless corporation
> Try to get something out of the CEO of Bank of America or some other faceless corporation
I have. It's easier than you think.