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DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

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Any time people talk about cutting government spending, they are exploiting naivety of the audience. When you actually cut, nobody likes it. There isn't really much waste in federal spending. Most programs are important to somebody for good reasons. From this perspective, DOGE was always an obvious con.

The Department of Education has spent $3 trillion since its inception in 1980, and academic accomplishment has not advanced at all.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#152

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That's the thing. The waste isn't in Federal beuracracy, it's in Federal contracts to private industry without strong self-interested oversight. The privatization trend takes a highly motivated group (companies) to milk money from an inefficient overseer.

Yep. I’ve worked on some federal contracts and all the waste is in private contractors, not the government itself. There are structural issues with subcontractors many layers deep, each middleman taking a cut for doing little to nothing. It’s sick.

Heck, even before they do anything, there is a sizable industry (with just a few players) focused entirely on the incredibly byzantine (but originally well meaning) process of bidding for government contracts (and also the politicking of acquiring no-bid contracts).

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#153
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post #4

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Perhaps the current government shouldn’t be in power and everybody involved should get audited and investigated for fraud and corruption

Perhaps that’s what the 2nd Amendment is for

Movements/causes that use violence are less successful (23%) than those that use non-violence (45%):

* https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-future-of-no...

* https://global.oup.com/academic/product/civil-resistance-978...

At least per historical surveys (600 movements since 1900).

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#154
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I would like to personally thank Elon, "big balls" and the rest of DOGE for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths [1] by shutting down USAID! Also an honorable for bringing the screwworm to the US. Good job everyone, you guys did it! [1] https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

Death and suffering on an unfathomable scale will be the ultimate legacy of these people. I wish they would be confronted with their crimes in front of a tribunal, but they’ll probably get away with what they did, at least in a legal sense.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#155
post #133

The total lack of records, all the Signal usage during this sad era is such a deep deep cutting treason. Just valentpy hostile to everything, to the citizenry, to history, to democracy, to America. The British burned the White House. This is a far worse, a far more grevious sundering of our history, our heritidge. (And Elon Musk is the worst killer with the most blood on his hands of anyone in the 21st century, for T…

The Biden administration authorized use of Signal, so I'm not sure how you think this is any kind of 'gotcha'. Both sides routinely use Signal and encourage its use. CISA said in December 2024 that Signal "better protected [government] officials".

The use of Signal or other disappearing message apps for government communications violates records keeping laws (that date from the age of memos) unless the user diligently screenshots and archives all messages.

All written communication for government business is supposed to be saved.

The CISA document you referenced doesn't seem to be clear on this point, although it is marked as not applying to sensitive communications anyway: "Sources may use TLP:CLEAR when information carries minimal or no foreseeable risk of misuse". https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mo...

It does seem like members of both political parties have had issues following the law on this point though - after all, Hillary's famous personal email server was an issue for the same reason.

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#156
post #6

Any time people talk about cutting government spending, they are exploiting naivety of the audience. When you actually cut, nobody likes it. There isn't really much waste in federal spending. Most programs are important to somebody for good reasons. From this perspective, DOGE was always an obvious con.

>There isn't really much waste in federal spending. Most programs are important to somebody for good reasons.

"[Pushing MAGA initiatives] is important to somebody for good reasons." Yes, zealots love pushing their ideology.

In about 15 seconds I found the following:

Culture Change for Inclusion of Indigenous Voices in Biology

Strengthening Inclusion by Change in Building Equity, Diversity and Understanding (SICBEDU) in Integrative Biology

An Equitable, Justice-Focused Ecosystem for Pacific Northwest Secondary CS [Computer Science] Teaching

These are pure waste pushed by religious zealots.

https://nsf-gov-resources.nsf.gov/files/NSF-Terminated-Award...

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#157

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I never understood the presidential pardon. It's like America is basically admitting it has no faith in their own justice system. Or want a cheat code to skip it lol.

Complex systems don't pop out of thin air. The US form of government is highly based on the existing British one and the British King had the ability to pardon and so that was copied over. I do think it makes a lot of sense to do things like mass-pardon people for things that are no longer crimes (i.e. weed legalization) but I really don't see how singling out cases is correct since the supreme court already can do t…

> Complex systems don't pop out of thin air.

You've obviously never been part of an SAP/ERP implementation. /s

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing. The waste isn't in Federal beuracracy, it's in Federal contracts to private industry without strong self-interested oversight. The privatization trend takes a highly motivated group (companies) to milk money from an inefficient overseer.

Yep. I’ve worked on some federal contracts and all the waste is in private contractors, not the government itself. There are structural issues with subcontractors many layers deep, each middleman taking a cut for doing little to nothing. It’s sick.

And who is responsible for making sure federal contracts don't go to wasteful contractors?

Re: DOGE is done. What happened to its records?

#159
post #6

Any time people talk about cutting government spending, they are exploiting naivety of the audience. When you actually cut, nobody likes it. There isn't really much waste in federal spending. Most programs are important to somebody for good reasons. From this perspective, DOGE was always an obvious con.

> There isn't really much waste in federal spending.

When there is no profit motive, there is no motive to be efficient.

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