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Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Knowing about the CEO of a company is the lowest bar for, "testament to accountability" I've ever seen.

You have someone in charge. You know who to question. You can even spam him on social media and a decent chance he'll reply. Try to get something out of the CEO of Bank of America or some other faceless corporation

If you're lucky, he might call you a domestic terrorist for questioning him and Flock's motives!

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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I wonder why we aren't addressing the real problem which seems to be cops behaving completely unethically. Their job is about enforcing the system that codifies our societies agreed up and codified rules of ethics. They should be obsessed with this the same way people here obsess over system performance, correctness, etc! If we cannot trust them with the very basics of ethical behavior they are absolutely in the wron…

The problem is simple: qualified immunity has become a blank check. The officer can simply claim they didn't know the law. They somehow can't be expected to understand basic constitutional protections.

Qualified immunity is more nuanced. It allows the first offense to be absolved but it works like legal precedent where future offenses by _any law enforcement officer_ is not covered.

Now there’s plenty of loopholes where you can craft “unique defenses” based on nearly identical underlying offenses. But it’s important to have the distinction

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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I don't understand flock cameras in high crime areas. Every time somebody commits a heinous crime it's always like "they were arrested 72 times and were well known by the police"

What's the point in helping the police catch criminals when they don't do anything after the fact!

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Are there any privacy-first security camera provider where it's the city that manages data access and uses it purely for local law enforcement purposes?

that's not privacy-first. There's no such thing as privacy-first surveillance. How can Americans spend so much time criticizing surveillance states only to build the world's largest

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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I wonder why we aren't addressing the real problem which seems to be cops behaving completely unethically. Their job is about enforcing the system that codifies our societies agreed up and codified rules of ethics. They should be obsessed with this the same way people here obsess over system performance, correctness, etc! If we cannot trust them with the very basics of ethical behavior they are absolutely in the wron…

Police actually exist to protect capital. At least in the USA.

Also to reduce capital murder...

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Why would you trust the city more than Flock. One of the common claimed abuses of Flock data is city cops using it to stalk exes and crushes. The problem with Flock is not who owns the data, it's the potential for abuse.

I wonder why we aren't addressing the real problem which seems to be cops behaving completely unethically. Their job is about enforcing the system that codifies our societies agreed up and codified rules of ethics. They should be obsessed with this the same way people here obsess over system performance, correctness, etc! If we cannot trust them with the very basics of ethical behavior they are absolutely in the wron…

There is so much rot in law enforcement. LASD still has deputy gangs.

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Are there any privacy-first security camera provider where it's the city that manages data access and uses it purely for local law enforcement purposes?

Why would you trust the city more than Flock. One of the common claimed abuses of Flock data is city cops using it to stalk exes and crushes. The problem with Flock is not who owns the data, it's the potential for abuse.

I want local cameras that require physical connections to offload data. Camera access panels can be locked with a wireless system that publishes the access timestamp and details to the city’s website. Each access must correspond with signed warrant.

If my family gets kidnapped, I want a department to be able to check a camera. I’ll wait for the judge’s signature.

But that’s night & day from today’s reality. I simply cannot stand being recorded to the cloud by a creepy corporation everywhere I drive in California with just about no oversight.

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Why would you trust the city more than Flock. One of the common claimed abuses of Flock data is city cops using it to stalk exes and crushes. The problem with Flock is not who owns the data, it's the potential for abuse.

I want local cameras that require physical connections to offload data. Camera access panels can be locked with a wireless system that publishes the access timestamp and details to the city’s website. Each access must correspond with signed warrant. If my family gets kidnapped, I want a department to be able to check a camera. I’ll wait for the judge’s signature. But that’s night & day from today’s reality. I simply…

Do you have a phone, modern car, or social media account? If so, I have some bad news for you…

Re: LAPD lets contract with surveillance giant Flock expire

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Why would you trust the city more than Flock. One of the common claimed abuses of Flock data is city cops using it to stalk exes and crushes. The problem with Flock is not who owns the data, it's the potential for abuse.

I think Flock is probably the worst solution besides all the rest. They seem to be the most auditable and accountable. The fact that anyone even knows the service and founder is a testament to accountability.

Try going to one of flock's PR meetups and ask questions. You will not get a straight answer at all, you might even get back-talked.
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