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An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by cmyk_student »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #21
harvie wrote: post #11

GIMP. How do you feel about it? i know people were sometimes quite critical, it has different workflow than PS, but it seems it gets the job done.

World would be in a better place if GIMP hadn't ever existed, the existence of GIMP is part of why we don't have an actual viable alternative. Constant claims of "good enough", 20+ years to implement adjustment layers after dismissing their value for many years a team that doesn't really care at all about it. If GIMP had never existed maybe the Blender team or someone else who actually has passion for the problem wou…

For what it's worth, there's been a lot of turnover in developers in the last 20 years. I've read some comments on older issue reports, and it made me understand why people think GIMP developers are abrasive (even though that hasn't been my experience with the current developers)

I'll say that I got a lot of encouragement and help when I started working on non-destructive editing - there was definitely no one on the team dismissing it (except for some users, oddly enough)

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by bombcar »

anonymars wrote: post #43
pauldoerwald wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A subscription model isn't needed to kill software. I think Adobe just stopped caring about product quality. They stopped asking "why do people love Photoshop" and instead just chased quarterly numbers.

Adobe and everyone else. Many of those complaints resonated with me outside of Photoshop But as I've said in the past, I think there is a relationship between subscriptions and quality: with a subscription model, feedback signals become decoupled. In the past, if the new version isn't good enough, people won't buy it. Now the calculus is changed to whether the product has become bad enough to un subscribe Potentially…

If you were an honest company, you'd have the current version available for $subscription, and past versions available for some amount more - and use that to see how many people still subscribe but refuse to upgrade.

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by poulpy123 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #21
harvie wrote: post #11

GIMP. How do you feel about it? i know people were sometimes quite critical, it has different workflow than PS, but it seems it gets the job done.

World would be in a better place if GIMP hadn't ever existed, the existence of GIMP is part of why we don't have an actual viable alternative. Constant claims of "good enough", 20+ years to implement adjustment layers after dismissing their value for many years a team that doesn't really care at all about it. If GIMP had never existed maybe the Blender team or someone else who actually has passion for the problem wou…

Knowing how much open source likes to fork or reinvent the wheel, I don't think gimp is any reason of the mack of viable alternative

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by d3rockk »

pauldoerwald wrote: post #17
JKCalhoun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty clear marketing killed PS when they went to a subscription model.

A subscription model isn't needed to kill software. I think Adobe just stopped caring about product quality. They stopped asking "why do people love Photoshop" and instead just chased quarterly numbers.

True, but the subscription model is what allowed them to stop caring. Subscriptions will likely kill more software companies than AI in the long run.

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by jollyllama »

dtagames wrote: post #7

Affinity, mentioned in the article, was acquired by Canva and had its entire UI redone to work just like Photoshop. It's also entirely free with no gotchas.

Did they ever get the renderer on par with Photoshop? Every png I rendered with Affinity looked like shit but this was years ago.

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by ksec »

>I’ve been using Photoshop since the mid-90s. First at school, with Photoshop 3, then through work. I bought my first boxed copy of CS2 in 2005, then upgraded to CS5 in 2010. I subscribed to Photoshop Creative Cloud on day one.....

>It turned out that my subscription, which had been going since 2013,

I am reading this and I am thinking god I am old.

I thought the Creative Cloud was a fairly recent thing. May be 2018? I mean 2018 is still 8 years which is a fairly long time. Turns out it started 13 years ago. I had to double check on Office 365 which is even further back to 2010.

Which I got another question in my mind. Has Photoshop really improved that much? There were still lots of improvement from CS1 ( 8.0 ) to CS6. Has there been that many new features since then?

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by Tanoc »

pauldoerwald wrote: post #17
JKCalhoun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty clear marketing killed PS when they went to a subscription model.

A subscription model isn't needed to kill software. I think Adobe just stopped caring about product quality. They stopped asking "why do people love Photoshop" and instead just chased quarterly numbers.

The rot started with Flash in 2009. Then it hit Illustrator and Dreamweaver. By 2014 everything was an unstable mess. It coincided with their buyouts of a bunch of competitors including Day, Demdex, and Nitobi. They hit "big enough" size and stopped caring.

Re: An Infuriating Goodbye to Photoshop

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

S0und wrote: post #81
dtagames wrote: post #7

Affinity, mentioned in the article, was acquired by Canva and had its entire UI redone to work just like Photoshop. It's also entirely free with no gotchas.

Affinity would be a great clone of PS, they copied it up to 90%. But for the last 10%, they were like, you know what? Let's do it in a way that it will make no sense to someone who has used PS for decades. I remember if you wanted to have a transparent background for your file, you had to CREATE the file SPECIFICALLY to have a transparent background. In PS, you just deleted the default white background, and bumm, you…

Agreed, too often you would search “how to do x photoshop thing but in affinity” cause it was so unobvious
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