even before the llm era sites would flag me as a bot for opening 15 links to read later. its fucking infuriating now
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#52One interesting aspect is of course that the movement from the same user can be different depending on what type of mouse they use. I use a mouse at work on my PC, touchpad on my private laptop, and thinkpad nipple on work laptop. Three different profiles for one user.
Obviously different movements from a AI, but if we come to the day where mouse movement fingerprinting becomes another gatekeeper, there could be some interesting outliers.
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#54Is this equivalent to Google Cloud Fraud Defense? https://cloud.google.com/security/products/fraud-defense
Not sure, but I struggle with skepticism for anyone who blocks archive.today, which cloudflare does, along with nextdns and others. Being blocked by such a large... apologies in advance for 'lack of better word' vernacular, cartel, is a near death sentence. Not a fan
CF doesn’t block archive. Archive poisons CF. Explanation direct from the CEO of CloudFlare: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702
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#55It’s a bit alarming how cloudflare is establishing itself as arbiter of all things bots…both on blocking and allowing. Doesn’t seem healthy for the internet as a whole
They're creating optional opt-in protection layers for the services they operate.
I genuinely don't understand these generic complaint comments.
Are you complaining that they offer too much? Or do you believe nobody is offering similar services?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you really need Cloudflare's services to run your business?
Are you genuinely asking "does anybody even need any of their services"?
Yes. I am asking exactly that objective question.
They are advantageous to leverage in certain situations but essential they are not. We're used to, in the technology industry, looking for or creating problems to solve with services we are aware of. Moving back to necessity and need, do we really? Are we being objective? Most of the time, no.
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#57I wonder how it'll handle those of us who try and use the mouse as infrequently as possible. I imagine the cognitive delay part would be largely telling. But it'll be interesting to see if I start getting blocked because I use vimium.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's up to their customers not to encourage consolidation.
Microsoft is the proof that customers do want that, or that they don't have a real choice.
I think it's simpler - they don't give a crap.
Until somewhere down the line. Like when half of Spain gets cut off due to an arbitrary block on a consolidated service facade...
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#59I wonder how it'll handle those of us who try and use the mouse as infrequently as possible. I imagine the cognitive delay part would be largely telling. But it'll be interesting to see if I start getting blocked because I use vimium.
I think it doesn't really matter, the bots will adapt with much more human-like mouse movement very quickly.
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#60It’s a bit alarming how cloudflare is establishing itself as arbiter of all things bots…both on blocking and allowing. Doesn’t seem healthy for the internet as a whole
They're creating optional opt-in protection layers for the services they operate. I genuinely don't understand these generic complaint comments. Are you complaining that they offer too much? Or do you believe nobody is offering similar services?
The complaint is that the offer is a great deal with no downsides for consumers, and this is likely to result in Cloudflare having a lot of power (which they currently don't have) as a market maker. This position as market maker would grant them the power to extract economic rent from the web economy by charging both sides of the web provider and web consumer market to get access to the other.