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Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by anonymousiam » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:20 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #194

iDon wrote: post #43

Representing that as a "climate spiral" would make it unnecessary to adjust for the seasons, and the original data could be used instead of a statistical view. It makes it easy for anyone to see the trend. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_spiral - https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/visualizing-daily-global-t... - https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/spirals/

The climate spiral can be misleading though, because it's natural for a viewer to interpret the change in terms of area. Then, the increase from 1.5° to 2° looks much, much larger than the increase from 0° to 0.5°. So it's misleading in terms of making recent warming seem even worse than it is. Now, of course, you might argue that is justified in spirit because the negative consequences from warming grow faster than…

0° is not zero. Your premise would be true if we were using the Kelvin temperature scale.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by miltonlost » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:22 PM UTC

radial_symmetry wrote: post #171

voidUpdate wrote: post #14

If it should be front-page news, shouldn't it also be at the top of the article, rather than right at the bottom?

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Communication about truth is also hard when against decades of industry, talk radio, right-wing media, and Republican propaganda lying about the climate. And humans, with very little scientific or critical thinking skills, felt comfort in the lie that "everything is ok!". Getting past a person's discomfort in order for them to accept truth is a high hill.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by stymaar » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:23 PM UTC

vivzkestrel wrote: post #150

- When I read an article that goes like "it is not A, it is B" i know for a fact that someone used an trash LLM to generate it

It's not even the worse part. Journalists have used the "it is not A, it is B" for a while and it never was as bad as AI doing it.

The key problem is that AI have no “idea” of how to build an argument, so it just rephrases the same ideas over and over in different forms. There's no direction, no structure, it's just rambling.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by pests » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:23 PM UTC

eth0up wrote: post #209

jstanley wrote: post #99

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Interestingly web.archive.org is blocked for me but TFA isn't.

I just left a comment on this elsewhere, but are you using cloudflare or nextdns? They seem to block archive sites, especially archive.today (archive.is, etc)

Yes because they were running a DDOS attack off their CAPTCHA page.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:23 PM UTC

card_zero wrote: post #148

penteract wrote: post #133

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Based on https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=nino3.4 , 1988 is the year from the dataset with the lowest temperature throughout June and July.

I posted a comment earlier about how 1982-1983 (the start of the data) had a historically severe El Nino, and the comment got shadowbanned. I don't understand why that happens sometimes. Hasn't happened for months, but when it does it's always on innocuous factual comments, it's weird.

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Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by snapcaster » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:24 PM UTC

miltonlost wrote: post #212

radial_symmetry wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Communication about truth is also hard when against decades of industry, talk radio, right-wing media, and Republican propaganda lying about the climate. And humans, with very little scientific or critical thinking skills, felt comfort in the lie that "everything is ok!". Getting past a person's discomfort in order for them to accept truth is a high hill.

okay sure, but also put the fucking graph at the top come on

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by dr_dshiv » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:25 PM UTC

andy_ppp wrote: post #210

ablation wrote: post #134

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The author of that Climate Casino post has some... strong views. So you might want to bear this in mind when reading his analysis: "The human cancer is destructive to every living thing, as humans continue to eat the planet into oblivion. As someone who values “everything else,” I would be one of the first to rally behind the NTHE philosophy if it had any scientific basis at all. I want the human cancer gone from thi…

I can understand the desire to be concerned about the climate systems that keep earth habitable for humans starting to break down might come with some extreme views. It seems almost thinking we can continue as normal given the predictions of climate scientists are now coming true, is the extreme views. I worry that these climate scientists might have under egged their estimates due to a “sensible mindset” rather than…

The data seem to suggest an urgent need for solar radiation management because reducing fossil fuel consumption to a negative value isn't really a viable plan, as it turns out. Instead, we will have to use technology to solve the problem, surprise surprise.

Calcium carbonate has the benefit of de acidifying the ocean.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by virgilp » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:26 PM UTC

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #188

ablation wrote: post #134

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The author of that Climate Casino post has some... strong views. So you might want to bear this in mind when reading his analysis: "The human cancer is destructive to every living thing, as humans continue to eat the planet into oblivion. As someone who values “everything else,” I would be one of the first to rally behind the NTHE philosophy if it had any scientific basis at all. I want the human cancer gone from thi…

So, because he's a nutter the graph shouldn't be front page news is the argument then? That'll teach him. He will learn the regret the day he dared say "hey, this graph means we're all gonna die if we don't do something! Look at it!" because we outsmarted him by refusing to look.

Well before I knew he was a nutter, it strikes be that the graph starts in 1991. Feels like we should should have more data than that, and that the same graph would be more powerful if it started in 1800 and showed the same thing (or at least, earlier in the 20th century, surely we must have data from the 1950s at least? probably earlier?)

Not saying that the data is not concerning, or that climate warming isn't real, BTW. I'm just saying this particular graph feels fishy.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by jstanley » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:28 PM UTC

eth0up wrote: post #209

jstanley wrote: post #99

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Interestingly web.archive.org is blocked for me but TFA isn't.

I just left a comment on this elsewhere, but are you using cloudflare or nextdns? They seem to block archive sites, especially archive.today (archive.is, etc)

It's because I live in the UK

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Post by azan_ » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 3:30 PM UTC

Loquebantur wrote: post #88

pyaamb wrote: post #74

the ignorance is a consequence of our societies system of incentives. everything keeps pointing back towards that each time theres an event like this. But if we aren't going to attach an economic price for emissions then it remains an externality and not a recognized reality to the economy. The current US administration is playing a leading role in keeping it that way. And voters keep voting for it. Incentives.

The economic system itself is incompatible with the physical reality of a finite planet. The ones steering society choose to crash and ruin everything rather than to jeopardize their positions in power. That obvious failure in morals and ethics, basic principles of adult responsibility really, is made possible by a lack of rational reflection in the populace. Objective truth has to take precedence over subjective des…

> The economic system itself is incompatible with the physical reality of a finite planet.

„Infinite growth is impossible on planet with finite resources” is nice buzzphrase, but upon closer inspection it makes literally zero sense. Fortunately people will never accept degrowthers’ postulates.