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Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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> The innocuous appearance of many of the videos raises questions about whether the surveillance was necessary. In one “auto boost/strip”-related call, the drone follows two young men in their car, at least one of whom is described in police records as having been identified as a “suspicious person in a vehicle.” Then the two men emerge onto a basketball court and start playing, and the drone departs. https://archive…

No drone has ever followed me when I am on the way to go play hockey.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All camera footage should be publicly available.

I really don’t agree. Especially in this day where anyone, or any business could run it all through AI and profile everyone to work out the exact best moment to send you a push notification for a Big Mac or whatever.

I think I agree. I think this is the type of data that should be able to be requested (and given if the context is correct) but not simply freely out there. Some third party commercial party will just use and abuse it.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#54

I remember reading this excellent article on Bloomberg about a guy who started a company that uses Cessna's with high-quality cameras, and they fly over an area for hours, and then use that footage to rollback crimes. They filmed everything. There's a video if you can find it where the man shows footage they took of a city in Mexico, where a murder occurred, and how they were able to roll back time and see the murder…

Drones are cheap & reliable. Vs. blimps, balloons, and such have repeatedly proven themselves quite fragile.

Quadcopters, you mean? They are cheap, and reliable enough given that they are cheap, but that's all.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#55

I remember reading this excellent article on Bloomberg about a guy who started a company that uses Cessna's with high-quality cameras, and they fly over an area for hours, and then use that footage to rollback crimes. They filmed everything. There's a video if you can find it where the man shows footage they took of a city in Mexico, where a murder occurred, and how they were able to roll back time and see the murder…

Here is a RadioLab podcast [0] about the system from company Persistent Surveillance Systems [1].

An interesting dimension to systems similar to the US military's Gorgon Stare [2] program is that they are generalized rather than specific, unlike a quad following a specific person(s).

0. https://radiolab.org/podcast/eye-sky

1. https://www.pss-1.com/

2. https://longreads.com/2019/06/21/nothing-kept-me-up-at-night...

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#57
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scale. The possibility of surveillance was far less worrying when three police officers had to tail you, because they'd only expend that effort when they were pretty sure you'd done a crime.

So we'd rather a high speed chase, crashes, danger to cyclists and pedestrians? I'd rather a drone follows the car until it stops and the police arrive to retrieve it and give a hand slap to the offender. I know this is lagging, and American culture will take decades to accept it, but the better our police are the lighter the sentences can be. Part of why a big hard sentence was seen as a deterrent was sort of the ER…

>the better our police are the lighter the sentences can be.

>If the chances of catching are near 100% you only need a smaller deterrent

I would rather live in a world with marginally higher petty crime rates with zero surveillance, than a world that has no petty crime but where there are Flock cameras on every corner and drones patrolling overhead at all times.

Peter Thiel and his ilk are creating Big Brother.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All camera footage should be publicly available.

I really don’t agree. Especially in this day where anyone, or any business could run it all through AI and profile everyone to work out the exact best moment to send you a push notification for a Big Mac or whatever.

I think the value of having the data on public spaces publicly available far outweighs the risk of privately held data, or editorializaed data from public spaces.

Also: You're welcome to disable push notifications if you don't want a big mac ad. (I agree that advertising is a cancer.)

Also, 2: What right should the government have to capture public data and then keep it from the public?

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#59
post #5

It's nice to see SFPD taking car break-ins seriously.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

You know he was talking about taxes...

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

#60
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t agree. Especially in this day where anyone, or any business could run it all through AI and profile everyone to work out the exact best moment to send you a push notification for a Big Mac or whatever.

I think I agree. I think this is the type of data that should be able to be requested (and given if the context is correct) but not simply freely out there. Some third party commercial party will just use and abuse it.

Ok, thats simple: no commercial use licensing. This already exists, via various copyleft mechanisms.
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