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Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Is it essential liberty to be able to run around doing crime without being surveiled?

Sweet, you've invented pre-crime.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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>Exposes reality of urban surveillance

Sounds like they're saying we should be appalled by this usage of drones... IDK, until we have some proof of an truly innocent (found by a court) or no reason to be suspected person (eg profiled, misidentified) having a bad outcome (such as arrest and long detention) without recourse (sue the crap out of the city, dept, or state) ...

This article basically reads as "Drones help police apprehend a man involved with auto theft" ...

The only "news" here (no shocker) is that the PD is somewhat ignorant on how to handle these new technologies securely. They need to go out on the open market and hire some of the best and brightest security folks displaced by Mythos (that's a joke), and secure their stuff with the basics.

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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Am I missing something? I can click the 'article' but its a big picture and a single paragraph. That reads like a picture description.

They paywalled the article, that’s why you can only see the first paragraph

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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>Exposes reality of urban surveillance Sounds like they're saying we should be appalled by this usage of drones... IDK, until we have some proof of an truly innocent (found by a court) or no reason to be suspected person (eg profiled, misidentified) having a bad outcome (such as arrest and long detention) without recourse (sue the crap out of the city, dept, or state) ... This article basically reads as "Drones help…

There will always be those who make excuses for the panopticon. Is yours that reducing auto theft is worth the tradeoffs?

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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Helicopters already exist, and so do consumer drones - so why is this an issue?

Scale. The possibility of surveillance was far less worrying when three police officers had to tail you, because they'd only expend that effort when they were pretty sure you'd done a crime.

So we'd rather a high speed chase, crashes, danger to cyclists and pedestrians? I'd rather a drone follows the car until it stops and the police arrive to retrieve it and give a hand slap to the offender.

I know this is lagging, and American culture will take decades to accept it, but the better our police are the lighter the sentences can be. Part of why a big hard sentence was seen as a deterrent was sort of the EROI ... If the chances of catching are small, you need a big deterrent. If the chances of catching are near 100% you only need a smaller deterrent (and apply it close to the behavior to maximize the brain training of "Do bad, bad things happen")

Re: Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

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>Exposes reality of urban surveillance Sounds like they're saying we should be appalled by this usage of drones... IDK, until we have some proof of an truly innocent (found by a court) or no reason to be suspected person (eg profiled, misidentified) having a bad outcome (such as arrest and long detention) without recourse (sue the crap out of the city, dept, or state) ... This article basically reads as "Drones help…

Classic example of the Nothing to hide argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

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