A graph that should be front-page news

Post by ykonstant » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:14 PM UTC

Arodex wrote: post #21

The Forest of Fontainebleau, just 50 km south of Paris, is burning, with Canada it's on the scene trying to contain it. Nearby highways and trains - some of the busiest of France - are cut. It is a temperate European forest, oak trees and beech. No AC is going to save European from that. In fact, it is American AC which is the main cause of it. They dumped all that energy and greenhouse gases and Europeans are the on…

Post by rpdillon » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:22 PM UTC

Loquebantur wrote: post #92

voidUpdate wrote: post #87

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That's a lot of assumptions about me based on "the important figure should be at the top of the page, not the bottom". Joe Average isn't going to want to read 14 paragraphs before getting to the actual graph the title mentions

The point isn't whether it's true about you in particular, it's about the actual effect it has on the general audience. Improving the design of that article will do absolutely nothing for its public reception. Voicing reasonable reactions to the salient content actually helps furthering the discussion. Nitpicking does the opposite.

Post by andersonpico » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:27 PM UTC

donaldihunter wrote: post #135

Filligree wrote: post #118

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Though the graph is ten years old. Why is it so hard to find recent data? :-(

This is the most recent version I have found: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5190/

Post by WA » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:30 PM UTC

Telemakhos wrote: post #104

sdevonoes wrote: post #78

In a world where we have people like Trump, Musk, Thiel, et al, with extreme power and resources, why would we hope for something like climate change to be addressed? What can scientists do? Even if they are 100% right and can prove it, they have no power to do anything. Governments of the top countries are puppets of the US, so there’s not much to do. Other governments are dealing with more mundane problems. And the…

US Greenhouse gas emissions are down 18% from 2007 levels. CO2 emissions and electricity generation are no longer linked. You might not like them, but Trump, Musk, Thiel, et al (whoever the et al are) are doing a good job pushing nuclear power as well, which promises a more energy-rich future without greenhouse emissions. The people who truly don't care are not in the US; they're China and India, whose per capita CO2…

Post by qsera » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:41 PM UTC

RetroTechie wrote: post #98

qsera wrote: post #63

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That does not look very reliable to me, because that implies certain things are only affected by ambient temperature. Btw, Can you tell me how ancient temperature is measured from ice cores? My lookup only says we can detect atmospheric composition, and not temperatures from the ice cores.

Air bubbles from ancient atmosphere caught in ice -> historic CO2 levels -> historic average global temps. This is fairly 1:1 linkage, and the Earth-heating effect of atmospheric CO2 was established in what, early 20th century or so?