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Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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The mean is created using 29 years of data. Why those particular 29 years? IDK. But I tend to dismiss findings like this that don't explain why they chose a very specific dates as the baseline.

Yes I was wondering the same. Why is the mean using a different set of years than the total data set? There also seems to be a year where the swing was equally as extreme in the other direction, what year was this? Would be worth mentioning at least in the post.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's a lot of assumptions about me based on "the important figure should be at the top of the page, not the bottom". Joe Average isn't going to want to read 14 paragraphs before getting to the actual graph the title mentions

The point isn't whether it's true about you in particular, it's about the actual effect it has on the general audience.

Improving the design of that article will do absolutely nothing for its public reception.

Voicing reasonable reactions to the salient content actually helps furthering the discussion. Nitpicking does the opposite.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Conspicuous that the X axis is missing numbers ... weeks, days, or months ....

I couldn’t help but notice that there was an equally cold spike at the bottom.

Can you please define "equal"? (and exactly which pic you're referring to?)

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is vastly superior and is the one that should be being discussed, not this.

> Turn the volume on the typical El Niño impacts up to eleven, then watch the collective infrastructure of modern industrial civilization crumble. Watch as flooding storms wash away roads and cities. Watch as trailing storms create new inland lakes, swamping farmland. Watch as fires raze forests and grasslands. Watch as heatwaves turn temperate regions into unsurvivable hellscapes. Watch as crops fail and dams burst.…

Maybe, but it's refreshingly different from the industrialized junk prose we get to read more and more.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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This website is making heavy use of IP range blocking. Here's an uncensored link: https://web.archive.org/web/20260713092155/https://www.lyreb... Alternatively, since the link that was posted is just an AI copyright theft site, use the original instead: https://climatecasino.substack.com/p/some-monsters-are-real Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48890533

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The El Niño reading there corresponds with the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) collapsing.

The result of such a collapse is a complete upheaval of global climate patterns, destroying agricultural production on a civilization-ending scale.

Generally, the actual seriousness of these things is so out of proportions for normal people, they have great difficulty appreciating it properly. Taking their hunches from public postures and stances assumed by "authority" figures on the matter doesn't help.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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The mean is created using 29 years of data. Why those particular 29 years? IDK. But I tend to dismiss findings like this that don't explain why they chose a very specific dates as the baseline.

Hmm. "The 1982-1983 El Niño was the strongest and most devastating of the century, perhaps the worst in recorded history."

https://www.whoi.edu/science/B/people/kamaral/1982-1983ElNin...

So maybe the data starts there in order to distort it, or to balance it, or maybe we started recording data properly in that year because El Niño got alarming. Seems relevant somehow anyway.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Tend to follow climate-related news closely. But even then: eyebrows raised. Heh.. Maybe in future we'll see wars being fought not over access to fossil fuels, but over attempts to stop other countries from pumping more fossils out of the ground. "What the planet is going to experience over the next 12 months is just a preview of the movie that’s coming. Godzilla is going to return, and return, and return and return…

War is one of the biggest emitter of co2 though.

Technically, could be negated if enough people who are projected to consume above a certain amount over the course of their lifetimes are killed.

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Yes there are. Scientists compare the measurements from both methods in the time when there's data from both. For example ice cores formed last decade should match direct temperature measurements from last decade. It's the same way the oldest rings from living trees are matched against the newest rings from tree fossils, and radiocarbon dating is checked against all of that.

That does not look very reliable to me, because that implies certain things are only affected by ambient temperature. Btw, Can you tell me how ancient temperature is measured from ice cores? My lookup only says we can detect atmospheric composition, and not temperatures from the ice cores.

Air bubbles from ancient atmosphere caught in ice -> historic CO2 levels -> historic average global temps.

This is fairly 1:1 linkage, and the Earth-heating effect of atmospheric CO2 was established in what, early 20th century or so?

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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This website is making heavy use of IP range blocking. Here's an uncensored link: https://web.archive.org/web/20260713092155/https://www.lyreb... Alternatively, since the link that was posted is just an AI copyright theft site, use the original instead: https://climatecasino.substack.com/p/some-monsters-are-real Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48890533

Interestingly web.archive.org is blocked for me but TFA isn't.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of assumptions about me based on "the important figure should be at the top of the page, not the bottom". Joe Average isn't going to want to read 14 paragraphs before getting to the actual graph the title mentions

The point isn't whether it's true about you in particular, it's about the actual effect it has on the general audience. Improving the design of that article will do absolutely nothing for its public reception. Voicing reasonable reactions to the salient content actually helps furthering the discussion. Nitpicking does the opposite.

Good design will absolutely improve public reception
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