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Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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I hate that having children is apparently the only purpose anyone has in life because I don't have children or a purpose in life and I'm pretty sure I would be even more depressed if I had children.

Note that I am not arguing that children is the purpose in life for everyone. For some it is, for others it is not. I believe that the majority of child bearers are "on program" driven by their biological imperatives. I believe that among the voluntary non-children people (of which I am one) there's plenty of values, goals, hopes and aspirations. In fact, for me, life is so rich that that is why I do not want childre…

Yeah, I used to feel life was rich too, and then I very suddenly became aware that it was finite and anything I could possibly do is just leading towards the same fixed point ending. I think mentally healthy humans have ways to avoid thinking about this.

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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It’s such an odd time investment wise… We have a blooming oil war that could take chunks of the global economy with it, booming and teetering credit levels threatening collapse, the “AI” companies have a lot of tinkerbell magic and impossible returns needed to justify their stocks, major cash rich tech giants are suddenly hands-out pockets-out for big money, and … well: Elon is the worlds richest man/CEO who also sha…

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Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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Good advice. Ironically most long term folks that just buy low cost index funds and take a nap outperform most of the market stressing out daily on their next move. That’s the cruel reality of investing. When you factor in the opportunity cost of all that stress and managing an active portfolio the percentage of successful active portfolio managers likely falls down to single digits. Invest early, invest consistently…

Though I keep wondering if the ‘invest consistently whether the market goes up or down’ defeats the point of a stock market in the first place. People effectively keep throwing money at mediocre or failing endeavours, which magnifies any structural problem, and everything seems to keep going up whether it’s good news or bad news, until the bottom falls out. My reading might be wrong, but since 2020 there is no bad ne…

Well, that is what markets do: behave. Rationally or not.

The 1929 panic was also irrational but it happened. There is no way to solve that.

Panics happen and bubbles too, and in the meantime, very long term investments tend to grow (in average), as long as the economy works as expected (improving in average, long-term).

Of course, catastrophes are not impossible (the Black Death, the French Revolution, World Wars...).

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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> In an uncontrolled scenario the AI bubble bursts and takes the whole economy with it. How is the whole economy exposed to AI? Will Anthropic or SpaceX cratering threaten the entire financial system? NVDA will certainly correct, which is probably the biggest risk to the market, but then what? All the FCF being spent by Google, Amazon, MS, Meta, etc... will suddenly start flowing to dividends and stock buybacks again…

> How is the whole economy exposed to AI? Out of fear/ uncertainty, investors don't just pull out of AI, but the stock market in general. More money shifts to bonds/commodities, not just people selling AI, but Coca-Cola and Johnson and Johnson, etc. Of course, the impact would not be equally distributed, staple stocks will crash less, but there will probably be overall a huge pull out as people panic shift assets. Th…

Who cares if "investors" are getting out of the market? They are not literally pulling money out of those companies but out of a casino that is the stock market.

One good thing in all this is, at least, if the AI stocks collapse that should not result in large-scale lay-offs. :) Quite the contrary.

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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The fact the AI emperor wears no clothes seems clear to me at least. The dot-com bubble looked obvious in 1997; it popped in 2000. Anyone shorting in '97-'98 was carried out on a stretcher before being vindicated. In fact 2000-2002 fell in three brutal legs over two years, and anyone who leveraged up after the first 25% leg was destroyed by the next two. My strat is to accumulate cash to buy the drop. The danger with…

This is the way. Did the same thing for 3 years before corona. Drop came, went all in, fast forward a year or two, we did not die, and the stocks were about 150%-200% higher. I'm doing the same thing now. Slowly starting to sell off the shares I have, putting the profit in bonds/interest accounts, when the bubble pops, I'll go all-in (phasing it in over a few quarters most likely) and then profit after 1-2 years.

I was to conservative on the corona drop. I was expecting a dead cat bounce that never came, it was truly v-shaped.

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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It’s such an odd time investment wise… We have a blooming oil war that could take chunks of the global economy with it, booming and teetering credit levels threatening collapse, the “AI” companies have a lot of tinkerbell magic and impossible returns needed to justify their stocks, major cash rich tech giants are suddenly hands-out pockets-out for big money, and … well: Elon is the worlds richest man/CEO who also sha…

In a world where Tesla has stayed at "severely overvalued" stock prices for about a decade, with occasional crashes to just "overvalued", I'm not so sure the big AI companies really need returns that justify their stocks. Sam Altman and Dario Amodei are both in their own ways trying to capture that same lighting in a bottle where the company is evaluated solely on the CEO's vision

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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How I view the market: Short term: high volatility and uncertainty, feels more like gambling at a casino Medium term: the world is too unstable, best to hold cash Long term: dollar cost averaging and time in the market always win so depending how long your horizon is, it’s a good time as any to invest Longer term: we all die

Good advice. Ironically most long term folks that just buy low cost index funds and take a nap outperform most of the market stressing out daily on their next move. That’s the cruel reality of investing. When you factor in the opportunity cost of all that stress and managing an active portfolio the percentage of successful active portfolio managers likely falls down to single digits. Invest early, invest consistently…

It's almost the inverse of a cruel reality? Just stick it all in low cost index funds and go to the beach. You'll do as good or better than 99% of actively invested funds. That's not cruel at all, that's actually a pretty comfy reality.

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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It’s such an odd time investment wise… We have a blooming oil war that could take chunks of the global economy with it, booming and teetering credit levels threatening collapse, the “AI” companies have a lot of tinkerbell magic and impossible returns needed to justify their stocks, major cash rich tech giants are suddenly hands-out pockets-out for big money, and … well: Elon is the worlds richest man/CEO who also sha…

The thing I worry about is: what happens when an actual set of adults get back into the White House? That could well be the trigger for the crash of all crashes because they might actually bring some reality pins with them, which are the antithesis of the growing, in size and number, fantasy balloons of hot-air the current cough leadership cough is facilitating.

Which will trigger even more wealth transfer to the top .1%, which the 99% will blame on the administration, and put the corrupt lot back in a few years later

Eventually though the world moves on and China takes over

Re: Berkshire's $397B Bet Against an Overheated Market

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Good advice. Ironically most long term folks that just buy low cost index funds and take a nap outperform most of the market stressing out daily on their next move. That’s the cruel reality of investing. When you factor in the opportunity cost of all that stress and managing an active portfolio the percentage of successful active portfolio managers likely falls down to single digits. Invest early, invest consistently…

Though I keep wondering if the ‘invest consistently whether the market goes up or down’ defeats the point of a stock market in the first place. People effectively keep throwing money at mediocre or failing endeavours, which magnifies any structural problem, and everything seems to keep going up whether it’s good news or bad news, until the bottom falls out. My reading might be wrong, but since 2020 there is no bad ne…

Always bet on black at the roulette table, over and over and over again.
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