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Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by suddenlybananas »

khalic wrote: post #105
Laurel1234 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? It's literally been a significant part of their marketing.

Let’s assume their marketing argument is in good faith (it isn’t, they’re just capturing market knowing very well they won’t replace most software dev): Where did Anthropic say that they want to “end” software development. They make it more efficient, which could lead to less software developer. How is this “campaigning to end software engineering”? It’s an exaggeration at best, dishonest and sensationalist at worst

>Where did Anthropic say that they want to “end” software development

https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/ai-ceo-says-softw...

https://xcancel.com/Vivek4real_/status/2074990159783768107

If you're selling a product and you're claiming that product will replace something, it's not unreasonable to claim that you want to end that thing.

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by hypfer »

RetroTechie wrote: post #97

There's so much good stuff in this post. Can't help to think of a recent HN post about most AI-generated projects being abandoned within months. Why? Because value of a project is not in the code produced. It's in the amount of battle-testing that code has seen. Battle-tested, mature code > fresh rewrite. Existing Zig codebase has seen X amount of battle-testing. Rust rewrite: 0 (except -I'm assuming- passing test su…

> Because value of a project is not in the code produced. It's in the amount of battle-testing that code has seen.

Rel: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-...

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by LtWorf »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #101

> From my perspective, Anthropic is the party we need to hold accountable here. It's insane that Ray Myers thinks that Anthropic did anything related to this port that requires holding them accountable; the fact that he used those words makes me want to prevent him from having any influence over AI policy.

Funding and owning something makes you accountable yes, that's how it works normally.

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by jdiff »

f-serif wrote: post #136
raincole wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, exactly. It's weird that Zig even responded to that. Imagining that your studio switched from Unity to Unreal and Unity proceeded to release a hit piece attacking your codebase quality and workplace environment.

It is in there nature. They (specially zig creator) were so jealous about about vlang getting traction and getting $800/month donations, they made it their core mission to attack vlang and spread hate.

Vlang is a ridiculous project that was entirely driven by hype that should have been easy for all to see straight through. It is ridiculous that it got $800/month with nothing to show for it. I haven't seen any hate spread for it by Zig.

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by jonkoops »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #147
jonkoops wrote: post #142

What I have been missing in all this debate is substance. I don't care that Bun was ported to Rust; I don't care that Andrew wrote a hit piece about it; I don't care that Anthropic sells shovels in the gold rush. What I do care about is technical details. Jared shared some motivation as to why they ported to Rust, and I think they look valid (even if provided with sparse evidence). But I have not seen any sort of ref…

Andrew essentially wrote that “bun code was bad anyway”. And also he implied he doesn’t even want to engage with anything relating to this since Jarred is toxic and there is no value in the debate. I think these points are fairly clear from his blog post

> And also he implied he doesn’t even want to engage with anything relating to this since Jarred is toxic and there is no value in the debate.

If he doesn't want to get involved, then why even write this piece?

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by CrimsonRain »

RetroTechie wrote: post #97

There's so much good stuff in this post. Can't help to think of a recent HN post about most AI-generated projects being abandoned within months. Why? Because value of a project is not in the code produced. It's in the amount of battle-testing that code has seen. Battle-tested, mature code > fresh rewrite. Existing Zig codebase has seen X amount of battle-testing. Rust rewrite: 0 (except -I'm assuming- passing test su…

That's such a bad take. You mention some good things they need to do but ignore the part that those are next steps and will take time.

You are acting like they need to complete everything at once...why?

Bun (rust) is not even released as stable yet and getting extensive usage on Claude code. They are making improvements and fixes. So what's the issue here?

Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke

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Post by cheikhcheikh »

embedding-shape wrote: post #18
raincole wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, exactly. It's weird that Zig even responded to that. Imagining that your studio switched from Unity to Unreal and Unity proceeded to release a hit piece attacking your codebase quality and workplace environment.

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> Incredible the different takeaways people get from text content on the internet

It is incredible isn't it.

"Jarred was already writing slop well before he had access to LLMs"

"The grapevine was large and healthy and full of juicy grapes, and all those grapes contained the juice of the same message: Jarred was a stinky manager. Poor communication, unrealistic expectations, low empathy, no experience. Just a total shit show, from an employment perspective."

"at some point they would sell out (let's be honest, their vague "sell some cloud something" business plan was a farce from the get-go"

"he was essentially groomed from a young age into uncritically embracing the Silicon Valley mindset"

There is more but I'll stop quoting to not end up copying the whole thing.

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