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How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

vardump wrote: post #18
Beijinger wrote: post #16

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Not hard, if you pump 600 billion [1] into one of the most corrupt [2] and poorest countries [3] Google AI: [1] The European Union and its member states have provided a total of €215.2 billion in overall support to Ukraine and its people since the start of Russia's war of aggression "Since the start of Russia's war of aggression, they have provided €215.2 billion in support for Ukraine and its people.", as reported b…

Ask Google AI what's the real value of the supplied aid. Also, supplying Ukraine is a cheap way to prevent similar invasions from happening in the future.

Better question would be: What is the REAL cost?

After blowing up the energy supply of Germany....

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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bennettnate5 wrote: post #19
Beijinger wrote: post #10

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Ukraine is rich! https://expatcircle.com/cms/travel-impressions-ukraine-kyiv-... Ukraine's Cabinet of Ministers has approved the key parameters of this year's pension indexation, with payments set to rise by 12.1%

This was literally an extended sales pitch to get people to buy/invest in real estate in Kyiv. Of course they're going to portray it as vibrant and rich.

Nope dude. The pictures were taken by me ;-)

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by mrkstu »

delichon wrote: post #14
rightbyte wrote: post #13

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Seems like a way to purposly implement Goodhart's Law in a war bureaucracy. Like, the law is a warning but neoliberals might read it differently I guess...

You're worried that they will over-fit on killing enemy invaders, at the expense of something more important? Like what?

The battle isn’t the war. But they seem to be covering the spectrum pretty well…

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Arnt wrote: post #17
Beijinger wrote: post #12

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Why all the down votes?

"let's send this stuff from the warehouse to Ukraine" "let's say it's a value of $x even though it's close to the use-by date" and then come you and write that someone sent $x, and expect anyone to believe that. And you even write that $x makes hard things easy. Hope much did the US pay to lose against Iran? Winning against anyone for the same sum isn't easy.

Ukraine is not winning. This is a distorted view in the west, and I am not Russian. Just a few more billions and Russia will collapse.

Russia is not fighting Ukraine, Russia is fighting NATO. And we are in dangerous territory.

Emmanuell Todd predicted this and this is not a person to be taken lightly (e.g. predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976 as a 26 years old PhD student): https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2024/11/how-the-west-was-...

We need just a few more sanctions against Russia and we will have a Regime change. The regime change will come, but likely different than we thought - AfD in Germany, Farange in the UK and LePen in France.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by 999900000999 »

Beijinger wrote: post #4

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This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine.

The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia.

Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders.

I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to station troops in northern Mexico we wouldn’t be happy.

Unfortunately the conflict has also revealed a disgusting double standard in Western media.

Ukrainians are “European Christians” with names, hopes and dreams.

Not like *those* people who are collateral damage. Burn the village to save it, blah blah.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

999900000999 wrote: post #25
Beijinger wrote: post #4

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This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine. The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia. Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders. I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to statio…

"The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people are ethnically Russian, particularly in the east."

Yep. Ukraine is not a Nation state, like Germany, or Finnland, or Sweden. Like Belgium, is is deep divided. The division was reflected in each election. Literally, the east voted for one candidate, the west for the other.

I slept in a Hostel during the war in Kyiv. There ware Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians. We hung out and had drinks, no problem. And during the night Putin and Klitschko made a pissing contest in the sky...

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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thisislife2 wrote: post #6
delichon wrote: post #3

> The solution was a market and "currency" for units to buy equipment and supplies. Brigade-level units purchase drones directly from the manufacturers using the "Brave" marketplace. The currency in the marketplace is points that units earn from video-confirmed kills of Russians. Drones flow to the most effective units, those units work closely with the manufacturers, and they can choose from a range of options depen…

> Drones flow to the most effective units I guess that can work if the major battles are concentrated only at a few point. But what happens when it is spread out along a huge frontline? You can't really prioritise for "effective" if you also need to prioritise for "necessity"?

I expect they would tell the units that they get more points for results in zone A than in zone B, and allow teams to move (or move their drone operations) towards zone A.

They seem flexible enough to do that, tweaking the system fairly frequently.

For example, see https://mod.gov.ua/en/news/updated-e-points-system-military-....

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by 999900000999 »

Beijinger wrote: post #26
999900000999 wrote: post #25

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This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine. The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia. Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders. I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to statio…

"The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people are ethnically Russian, particularly in the east." Yep. Ukraine is not a Nation state, like Germany, or Finnland, or Sweden. Like Belgium, is is deep divided. The division was reflected in each election. Literally, the east voted for one candidate, the west for the other. I slept in a Hostel during the war in Kyiv. There ware Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians.…

It appears you’ve been downvoted and flagged.

You see, to the Westerner things must be black and white.

Russia is evil and the West good, despite the last Iraq war having something like 10x as many innocent casualties as the Ukraine war.

Something must be different between Iraqis and Ukrainians to make the latter so much more worthy of concern.

Guess we’ll never know.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by vardump »

Beijinger wrote: post #21
vardump wrote: post #18

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Ask Google AI what's the real value of the supplied aid. Also, supplying Ukraine is a cheap way to prevent similar invasions from happening in the future.

Better question would be: What is the REAL cost? After blowing up the energy supply of Germany....

Sigh. It's still a very cheap price to pay for the European security.
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