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Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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I wonder if LLMs modify their output when they realize they are interacting with a famous person. By famous I mean someone whose biography is in the training data. All models know a lot more about Terrance Tao than they know about me, when he's working on his projects do the models know they don't need to explain "Besicovitch sets". Since the system prompt likely includes something about not insulting the user, does…

You could test this by starting your sessions with "I am Terrance Tao"

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #99

Using LLMs to generate dashboards is probably their most productive use case

And then to write installers so your coworkers who aren’t liking instructions like “then make a gpg key and install pinentry-mac” can use the extremely useful vibe coded dashboards to make the prod site transparent and viewable, digestible to eyes.

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Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #87

It's probably a matter of short time until it's possible to disassemble any sophisticated software, rewrite it entirely with better features and usability, generate all needed artifacts, port to any platform. The only moat left is probably remote massive data storage. So if you want to replicate YouTube or TikTok, it's not impossible, but requires a lot more hardware assets than say anything that runs entirely locall…

How exactly do you envision this ? you will ask the ai to make youtube but better, people seperate the "what" from the "how" but they have a very complex relationship

Have you tried most powerful recent models? You may even don't understand at all "how" - what you get is end result you asked for, verified and tested. I am pretty sure if I can vibe code quite non trivial solution in just say 4-8 hours today, then why will it be impossible say in a year or two to vibe code something at the level of most sophisticated apps and services today? Pretty reasonable expectation taking into account what was possible just a year ago and what you can make today without even understanding "how".

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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The supply of software has already gone up, and most of the new stuff is close to useless

I've vibe coded multiple apps that I now use regularly throughout the day. I doubt I could sell them, but they are very useful to me.

Curious, what have you built? I just wibe coded a packing/checklist app, a llm-powered meal planner and a very specialised app for tracking LAN party network building.

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #117

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Personal software is the future and a person building software for themselves tends to withstand enshittifcation. That's why I love when people open-source projects they love and are passionate about and I will always choose them over proprietary ones. People always argue "well, Slack and Notion have distribution and the product isn't everything." Ok and? The person making it for themselves doesn't necessarily need d…

Basic economics still holds. There will be firms investing loads of time and money into specific, winning approaches and folks using custom builds will be competed away by them.

Those firms investing time and money may make a good product at first, but it will slowly get worse as they try to recoup their costs and make a profit. The person making the open-source alternative may do the same, but I can fork it and go on my merry way if they do.

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #109

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The supply of software has already gone up, and most of the new stuff is close to useless

In my very small business, the supply of software has gone up (I'm building things), and they're custom to my business--so highly useful. Moreso than any off the shelf product could hope to be.

SaaS is dead.

Everything is going to be brought in house.

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #88

I wonder if LLMs modify their output when they realize they are interacting with a famous person. By famous I mean someone whose biography is in the training data. All models know a lot more about Terrance Tao than they know about me, when he's working on his projects do the models know they don't need to explain "Besicovitch sets". Since the system prompt likely includes something about not insulting the user, does…

Yes. I am NOT famous. But I am in the corpus. In my GPT3 beta tests, I asked it to be first Bill Bradley then Noam Chomski, (a parlor trick that's harder today due to RL), and Bill tried to butter me up based on some work history of mine. Chomsky then said "Man, I hate that guy."

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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People are so confident that this not-just-a-tool will show signs of ASI/AGI any day now...

Yep, I'm fairly certain that general learning algorithms acting upon an ANN (which is fairly general too, see the universal approximation theorem) can reach and surpass performance of the human brain. As we have approximately zero evidence that the human brain contains "magic," that is something that can't be modeled by an ANN of a practically feasible size. (I know about chaotic processes that can't be modeled preci…

I think it's a giant leap of faith to go from "there's no evidence that the human brain contains magic" to "ANNs will achieve AGI and we just need to monkey with the parameters to get there." You've ruled out the supernatural, but don't account for mundane limitations like energy, training data, memory or the architecture. That theorem you referenced tells us a sufficiently wide network can (quoting from Wikipedia) "approximate any continuous function to any desired degree of accuracy" – but it doesn't give us any bound on the sample complexity or the energy required. That is to say, just because the theorem says it's technically possible doesn't mean it's literally possible.

Re: Old and new apps, via modern coding agents

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my very small business, the supply of software has gone up (I'm building things), and they're custom to my business--so highly useful. Moreso than any off the shelf product could hope to be.

SaaS is dead. Everything is going to be brought in house.

Until someone will figure out that, according to some spreadsheet, outsourcing it all would result in Big Savings That Would Help The Share Price, and the carousel will start again.

Capitalism will capitalism.

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