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Fable extended until 19 July

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Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by greenavocado »

thepasch wrote: post #5

Can Anthropic please just decide on what their plan is with Fable instead of kicking the can down the road last-second every time and consequently destroying all notions of being able to plan out one's weekly usage expenditure?

The plan is to stay relevant at all costs. Hence the spectacular gaslighting and flailing messaging.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by AM1010101 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

Plannig and review. You want the best plan and when its done you want to catch all the bugs. Implementation can be almost anything.

Of course you can do the planning and reviewing by hand but sota models do a pretty great job, especially in review (please still read the code).

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by efficax »

This shit is absurd. Just decide whether Fable will be part of the subscription model or not. Are you losing too much money on it to be profitable? Say so. Did you see signups tank and lose a huge amount of users to OpenAI because of the Sol release? Is that why this is happening? Why would I pay for a service where I can't be sure what that service will offer exactly a week from now.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by anuramat »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

ml research, both brainstorming and running experiments

eg I'd throw a hypothesis at it in the evening, and overnight it would write the code, do a sanity check, start a run, monitor the metrics, identify and fix a bug, propose a new hypothesis based on the results, write the code and start the second experiment, etc

still not that good at generating ideas or drawing conclusions, but much better at criticism than opus

even the api price is not that expensive for this

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by hodgehog11 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

For the particular task I'm working on (a mathematical task in validated numerics), even Sol has generally just repeatedly given up. I asked it for the main problems it could not solve, gave them to Fable, and Fable solves them, every time.

There is a clear hierarchy here and Fable is well and truly at the top for very tough tasks. It just sucks that Anthropic is so incompetent at delivering a cost-effective experience without the uncertainty of it getting pulled. It doesn't matter how strong their model is, customers will turn away.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by hodgehog11 »

fractorial wrote: post #35

This is truly vindication for my efforts to get off of frontier models and harnesses as much as possible. I won't deny the model is _pretty good_ but it is not worth all of this whiplash.

I really envy you. There is a clear divide amongst my colleagues now in terms of who is using Fable and who isn't (this is math work, so it is well and truly better than all the other models). Everyone is quickly becoming reliant on this, and with Anthropic constantly changing their mind, it's just miserable.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by mlinsey »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

For ordinary coding (making webapps, frontend and backend), the non-SOTA models do fine, but the SOTA models have better judgement and need me to intervene less often, allowing workflows like "Go and pitch me a solution to this problem, then go build it". 6 months ago, I would give lower-level tasks and read more of the code myself.

So I don't "need" the SOTA models, but they do help considerably. And I am also working on some other projects that may have been outside the reach of the earlier models entirely.

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