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I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by paulryanrogers »

hamandcheese wrote: post #10

> where’s all this new magical software that the productivity improvements should imply? It's running, privately, in my homelab. I think we are entering what I call the "have it your way" era. If an open source project doesn't do exactly what you want it to do, fork it, or create a new version. It's too easy. This makes me a bit concerned about the future of open source. Upstreaming used to be worth it, since maintai…

You still have to track upstream and merge conflicts. Or else you have to get LLMs to fix all the CVEs in your fork.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by jacobgold »

As soon as we started unironically calling LLMs "AI" we went down the hype path. That has plenty of downsides, like stressing out the entire world and attracting cryptocurrency bros, but also the major upside massive of funding/acceleration.

So far, all we have is more software running on computers. It's powerful, and it's amazing, but it's not magic.

Calling it "AI" was possibly a net-negative but we don't know yet.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

At least for me, the jump in productivity has resulted in building stripped down one-off software for my highly specific use-cases.

You can use an LLM to create anything but you still need to know what it is that you're building, and you need to think through how everything should work or the LLM will just fill it with sausage. You can tell that the models are still quite jagged and limited by the mixed quality from a lot of the software that these presumed trillion dollar companies are putting out. The future is sausage.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by NetOpWibby »

apsurd wrote: post #5

Your SF hate isn't a good look. There are many things to be critical about but shoehorning an entire metro into the echo-chamber you're supposedly beyond yet can't help but orient your entire world view as the anti-SF-tech-bro all while running a startup and discussing AI on HN. TLDR: SF is more than Paul Graham worship parties. EDIT: Think I'm being misunderstood! author goes out of his way to blame shitty San Franc…

False equivalency

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by m463 »

HellDunkel wrote: post #9

How to you love this stuff so hard? I could newer love any ai generated music, book or artwork. Anything ai gemerated i have ever seem or heard was either disgustingly slop or indistinguishable from something else which was real. It‘s a like finding a cool track only to discover it‘s a lazy bootleg.

I've made ai generated art using family photos as the starting point, and it was wonderful. :)

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by apsurd »

apsurd wrote: post #5

Your SF hate isn't a good look. There are many things to be critical about but shoehorning an entire metro into the echo-chamber you're supposedly beyond yet can't help but orient your entire world view as the anti-SF-tech-bro all while running a startup and discussing AI on HN. TLDR: SF is more than Paul Graham worship parties. EDIT: Think I'm being misunderstood! author goes out of his way to blame shitty San Franc…

damn, you all hate SF that much?

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by paulryanrogers »

sigmar wrote: post #3

>One, this constant bullshit about some window closing, or the perpetual underclass, or falling hopelessly behind. This is negative valence hype, not only is it not true, it’s mostly designed to make you feel bad about yourself and move to shitty San Francisco where everything really does suck like how these people claim. It's possible to use LLMs without logging onto twitter to be exposed to the people spouting off…

Does Xitter still have people complaining about class divisions?

(Genuinely curious, I hadn't ever seen that there though I don't go there much any more.)

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by ivanjermakov »

HellDunkel wrote: post #9

How to you love this stuff so hard? I could newer love any ai generated music, book or artwork. Anything ai gemerated i have ever seem or heard was either disgustingly slop or indistinguishable from something else which was real. It‘s a like finding a cool track only to discover it‘s a lazy bootleg.

I'm sure most engineering is LLM-assisted already and nothing is wrong with it. It's just the one-shot vibe-coded low quality slop that spoils sentiment of this tools. Also many people are interested in what agents can build unsupervised as a test of "superintelligence".

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by cautiouscat »

sigmar wrote: post #3

>One, this constant bullshit about some window closing, or the perpetual underclass, or falling hopelessly behind. This is negative valence hype, not only is it not true, it’s mostly designed to make you feel bad about yourself and move to shitty San Francisco where everything really does suck like how these people claim. It's possible to use LLMs without logging onto twitter to be exposed to the people spouting off…

Those people are not just on Twitter. They’re here on HN, they’re at work, they’re at your next social gathering.

I’ve found them to be unavoidable to some degree.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by password54321 »

Yeah I don't think any of the labs have some secret sauce for intelligence either. It seems most of the advancements are still coming from hardware, making LLMs more efficient and throwing more compute and data at problems. And even those problems still require a lot of prompt engineering: https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/04d1d1e4-bc75-476a-97cf-49055cd98...
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