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Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by sarchertech »

interstice wrote: post #237
sarchertech wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I wasn’t aware that Arthur Scherbius was known to be an asshole.

I was referring to Alan Turing

Turning didn’t cause the Enigma Machine to exist. He assisted with making it practical to decipher messages encrypted with the Enigma Machine. But

1. He was just one person working on it. It probably would have happened without him.

2. Despite what you might have seen in some dramatizations, there’s no mention of him being a jerk while working at Bletchley Park.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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port11 wrote: post #183
rmunn wrote: post #29

From the article: "... there is no other Internet, just a place with five corporate towns and some Chinese ones that are really hard to visit if you don’t speak Chinese." Yeah, that's only true if you don't hang out in the old-style Internet. I spend most of my time on blogs, reading and replying to discussions on wide-ranging topics, talking to interesting people who know a lot more than I do about many subjects (in…

Yeah, some people really need to take a step back from where they hang out. If you think all there is to the internet is the Five Places and the Weird Chinese Thing (paraphrasing from OP), you’re being quite myopic. Heck, do we even know anyone that truly hangs out there? The people around me are talking to each other on WhatsApp and Discord. Otherwise they’re playing mobile games, which is its own issue. I got into…

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Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by CamperBob2 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #249
CamperBob2 wrote: post #238

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The fact that you don't know whether you're talking to an LLM or a human right now is good enough for me. The "last time you checked" was evidently 2023 or so. I suggest checking again.

> The fact that you don't know whether you're talking to an LLM or a human right now is good enough for me. Uh huh. So you have no evidence, and can't prove shit. That's what I figured. LLMs are nothing but a shallow mirror of human thought, they don't hold up to any serious examination and the only people who think they do are typically narcissists who can't form deep connections with real people. The superficiality…

You hate to see it. It's like watching somebody about to be hit by a bus. You scream, you wave your arms, but they either don't see you, or they think you're some kind of nut and ignore you.

Then, the next thing that goes through their mind -- the last thing -- is a chrome hood ornament shaped like a greyhound.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by solid_fuel »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #254
solid_fuel wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that you don't know whether you're talking to an LLM or a human right now is good enough for me. Uh huh. So you have no evidence, and can't prove shit. That's what I figured. LLMs are nothing but a shallow mirror of human thought, they don't hold up to any serious examination and the only people who think they do are typically narcissists who can't form deep connections with real people. The superficiality…

You hate to see it. It's like watching somebody about to be hit by a bus. You scream, you wave your arms, but they either don't see you, or they think you're some kind of nut and ignore you. Then, the next thing that goes through their mind -- the last thing -- is a chrome hood ornament shaped like a greyhound.

Oh so you do get it! All these idiots running around acting like a calculator can think. The bus is really going to hurt when they hit 40 and realize they outsourced all their humanity to a machine. Art, writing, even reading - these dorks hand it all over to chatGPT. Then they go online and act like they’re more productive than ever, when all they can produce is a dribbling stream of liquid shit.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by CamperBob2 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #255
CamperBob2 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hate to see it. It's like watching somebody about to be hit by a bus. You scream, you wave your arms, but they either don't see you, or they think you're some kind of nut and ignore you. Then, the next thing that goes through their mind -- the last thing -- is a chrome hood ornament shaped like a greyhound.

Oh so you do get it! All these idiots running around acting like a calculator can think. The bus is really going to hurt when they hit 40 and realize they outsourced all their humanity to a machine. Art, writing, even reading - these dorks hand it all over to chatGPT. Then they go online and act like they’re more productive than ever, when all they can produce is a dribbling stream of liquid shit.

As it happens, https://www.imo2026.com/ is coming up next week in Shanghai. Grab your best calculator, let's see how you do without thinking.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by sarchertech »

drannex wrote: post #247
sarchertech wrote: post #232

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> in fact, here's a rule of thumb. if any opinion anyone ever concludes with "Let's disconnect this human from society until they fix themselves" , well , I humbly disagree. So you want to employ unreformed murderers, psychopaths, rapists etc. Or do you have a line somewhere? Better question, are you fine with not hiring assholes who aren’t brilliant?

> So you want to employ unreformed murderers, psychopaths, rapists etc. Or do you have a line somewhere? Key phrase in the quote was 'until they fix themselves', reformation by other means, particularly therapy (prisons are not therapy, and incredibly inefficient, which is why they have such a high recidivism rate). So, sure, we should employ *reformed* murderers, psychopaths, etc. As long as they have had adequate t…

> Key phrase in the quote was 'until they fix themselves', reformation by other means, particularly therapy.

So you’d be fine with don’t hire assholes until someone else fixes them.

> Plus, just being an asshole doesn't mean someone can't be reasoned with, sometimes you need an asshole or two on the team to get shit done. The ability to stand your ground with a considerable weapon of knowledge on your back is not asshole behavior, that's just knowing your shit.

I agree with your 2nd sentence, but that also means that you don’t actually need to hire assholes.

> I wouldn't hire anyone if they weren't brilliant. I would and do hire knowledgeable assholes, because they tend to know their shit so well that its all they know. That's why I hire them.

I think the issue here is that you might be confusing people who can stand up for themselves, don’t bullshit, and don’t like to put up with bullshit with assholes.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by acron0 »

thundergolfer wrote: post #10
mmillin wrote: post #3

Feels very related to the idea of refinement culture: https://lindynewsletter.beehiiv.com/p/refinement-culture While the connectedness of our world allows for great ideas to be spread and shared, there’s a huge reduction in actual variety. I don’t know what the solution is.

Not really that related. Refinement culture is concerned with evolving aesthetics and marketing which is partly a response to globalization and the rising middle classes of asia, partly related to digitization, and partly just a normal evolution of style. What George is talking about here is much more related to the ideas of Nick Land, technocapital, Marshall McLuhan, and man's relationship to industrialization. > Is…

I think 99% of the commenters in this thread seem totally tone deaf to the article and the phenomenon being attacked by geohot. Granted, he doesn't articulate it well, but as you say, these aren't new concepts and much better introduced by Nick Land, Mark Fisher, Byung-chul Han etc.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by solid_fuel »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #256
solid_fuel wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh so you do get it! All these idiots running around acting like a calculator can think. The bus is really going to hurt when they hit 40 and realize they outsourced all their humanity to a machine. Art, writing, even reading - these dorks hand it all over to chatGPT. Then they go online and act like they’re more productive than ever, when all they can produce is a dribbling stream of liquid shit.

As it happens, https://www.imo2026.com/ is coming up next week in Shanghai. Grab your best calculator, let's see how you do without thinking.

> let's see how you do without thinking

That’s your domain buddy, not mine.

Re: Punk, or why I don't stream anymore

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Post by [deleted] »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #207
everdrive wrote: post #87

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Well, I guess our only choice is to own an expensive corporate surveillance device. There's no other option. The ancient polynesians managed to learn to navigate huge, open seas by memorizing the stars. The ancient Greeks managed to measure the size of the sun with trigonometry and grit alone. We've mapped the genome and soon we may even cure inherited illnesses, or bring extinct species back to live. But I hear you.…

> What if I wanted to know what movies were playing, but I was already at a restaurant? What could I possibly do? Do you actually have a solution here or what? Call the theater? Do you have their phone number memorized? Phone Books and Pay Phones basically don't exist anymore, remember. Do you just drive to the theater after the meal and check in person? Who is going to agree to that anymore? People will just say "na…

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