Live data from Hacker News

Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

bbc.com

51–60 of 76 posts

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#51
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have expert consensus on what’s the best taxes, people just don’t like the answer: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/19/157047211/six-... (“Three. Eliminate the corporate income tax. Completely. If companies reinvest the money into their businesses, that's good. Don't tax companies in an effort to tax rich people. Four. Eliminate all income and payroll taxes. All of them. For everyone. Taxes disco…

This approach is the perfect "the richer get richer" inequality engine that would run things even faster than our current system (which works pretty well already). Even the most consumerist of the super-rich spend that tiniest fraction on taxable consumables compared with any given salaried employee. Which means they have more to invest to increase their wealth (and gap between them and everyone else) even faster.

The key insight is that wealth that’s not spent has no effect on anyone else. It’s just a number on paper.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#52
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article spends most of its time explaining why a progressive consumption tax is obviously the right choice, then basically decries liberals as too dumb to understand it and conservatives as too evil to want it, but spends zero words to explain how a progressive consumption tax might possibly be implemented.

>spends zero words to explain how a progressive consumption tax might possibly be implemented. The implementation could consist of a tax on personal income, but any re-investment of that income is deductible, plus a tax on luxury items and products whose main purpose is status-signaling.

You’ve gotta squint each hard to call an income tax with deductions a consumption tax. That’s what we have in the US right now.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#53
post #28
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not classifying it as the best solution. I’m quoting an NPR article describing the consensus view of economics experts. But as I understand it, the reason is that consumption taxes have the least distortion in terms of deviating from the efficient behavior in the no-tax scenario: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/09/using-tax-to-tackle-...

That article spends most of its time explaining why a progressive consumption tax is obviously the right choice, then basically decries liberals as too dumb to understand it and conservatives as too evil to want it, but spends zero words to explain how a progressive consumption tax might possibly be implemented.

> basically decries liberals as too dumb to understand it and conservatives as too evil to want it

Yes, that’s the expert consensus.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#54
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal is economic growth, which matters more than anything else. Fun fact: in 1900, Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world, at about 60% of US GDP per capita: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/argentina-was-one-o... . Today, Argentina has under 20% of the GDP per capita of the US. The difference is that the U.S. has grown at about 1.7% annually for the past century and change, while Argenti…

> The goal is economic growth, which matters more than anything else. That sounds like an argument for human slavery

Economists have known slavery is inefficient since Adam Smith. Non-free labor creates a deadweight loss and inefficient allocation of capital.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#55
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have expert consensus on what’s the best taxes, people just don’t like the answer: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/19/157047211/six-... (“Three. Eliminate the corporate income tax. Completely. If companies reinvest the money into their businesses, that's good. Don't tax companies in an effort to tax rich people. Four. Eliminate all income and payroll taxes. All of them. For everyone. Taxes disco…

This is not "expert consensus", they bought in 5 economics with different political leanings and tried to get them to agree to common points (even though they do not agree with each other politically) and this was what they agreed on. And this was in 2012, 14 years ago. If you do the same experiment again with 100 economists, they might have a widely different plan. Yes its an interesting article but you can't call i…

The economists were asked to weigh in on behalf of their field, not just their personal views:

> There you have it, six major proposals that have broad agreement, at least among economists

The NPR article attributes the proposals to economists broadly, not just the specific panel.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#56
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This approach is the perfect "the richer get richer" inequality engine that would run things even faster than our current system (which works pretty well already). Even the most consumerist of the super-rich spend that tiniest fraction on taxable consumables compared with any given salaried employee. Which means they have more to invest to increase their wealth (and gap between them and everyone else) even faster.

The key insight is that wealth that’s not spent has no effect on anyone else. It’s just a number on paper.

Wealth could be invested (impacts those borrowing), used on consumables (impacts businesses), or hidden under the mattress or equivalent (reduces the supply of money so acts deflationary).

I would argue that those 3 are the main downstream effects of having wealth -- and they all impact people at large enough values.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#57
post #6

Obviously the solution is an ai-funded-house-wealth-tax. I'm in favor of a politician tax, and an attractive people tax (I'm not worried, I will use my tax receipt for virtue signalling)

In order to conclude about taxing, we should agree how much more one should earn per unit of talent or position. Should a CEO earn x10k times a base salary, like now? If yes, don't tax them, if they should earn x1k, tax them 90%, if x100 then 99%. Sould one own 100 homes and 50 cars like billionaires, while they live in and drive one? If yes, don't tax them, if no, tax their wealth accordingly to the number we agreed. Every number not based on fundamental human utility is arbitrary, sensational opinion.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#58
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This approach is the perfect "the richer get richer" inequality engine that would run things even faster than our current system (which works pretty well already). Even the most consumerist of the super-rich spend that tiniest fraction on taxable consumables compared with any given salaried employee. Which means they have more to invest to increase their wealth (and gap between them and everyone else) even faster.

The key insight is that wealth that’s not spent has no effect on anyone else. It’s just a number on paper.

Would political contributions count as taxable spending?

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#59
post #42
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for me, even income taxes as high as 53% have not discouraged me from trying to make more money. They have made me consider moving. At some level, certainly at 90%+, the most rational thing to do to make more money is to spend time lowering your tax bill, which is not a particularly beneficial way (to society) of making more money. But I can't image anyone at an income tax level of say 10% is being actively…

Prices are set on the margins, the reason people are paid what they are is because even a relatively small change would cause someone to do something differently. Same theory as why we can be confident raising the price of something a few cents is likely to cause someone to change their decisions - if it wasn't, the seller would raise the price by a few cents. It isn't obvious what a 10% across-the-market tax will do…

I think you're relying far too much on an econ 101 idea to analyze a situation that's far more complicated.

Re: Wealthy AI workers send San Francisco house prices soaring

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This approach is the perfect "the richer get richer" inequality engine that would run things even faster than our current system (which works pretty well already). Even the most consumerist of the super-rich spend that tiniest fraction on taxable consumables compared with any given salaried employee. Which means they have more to invest to increase their wealth (and gap between them and everyone else) even faster.

> This approach is the perfect "the richer get richer" inequality engine that would run things even faster than our current system (which works pretty well already). That’s the idea. Lawyers accustomed to the patronage of wealthy clients need more of them to maintain their lifestyle.

No, I'm just another third worlder who escaped a socialist country.
Post reply on HN