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Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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$40k compensation for 55 years of service...

Minimum wage is about US$300, which would make about US$220k total (you get about 13.3 salaries per year), plus fines and overtime. They'll have to pay social security too. It seems to me that the case doesn't include the labour part of the situation. That might be a separate case.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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It is not anti-White racist, but facts. It is white abusing black, not the other way around. How can you have the skin so thin with something like this? For fuck sake.

>Statistics suggest

>facts

Statistical inference is not established fact. I'm not defending parent comment above, but to be clear, it's not actually established as a fact that "Maria" was black, right? "Maria" isn't even her real name.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not anti-White racist, but facts. It is white abusing black, not the other way around. How can you have the skin so thin with something like this? For fuck sake.

>Statistics suggest >facts Statistical inference is not established fact. I'm not defending parent comment above, but to be clear, it's not actually established as a fact that "Maria" was black, right? "Maria" isn't even her real name.

Correction as stated below: "Statistics suggest that Maria was undoubtedly poor and, most likely, Black."

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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> Although the family has agreed to compensate her, Maria, who lived in near-total isolation and without contact with her relatives, will remain with her employers What the fuck? Why did the law need the family's "agreement"?? Why is nobody going to jail for imprisoning someone for 55 years??

In Brazil there are so many laws, I heard that nearly 100% of the population treats laws like strongly worded suggestions, at best. Idk how the prosecution system even functions without credibility.

If it operates like most corrupt systems, it binds the have-nots, but not the haves.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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I was talking to a doctor who went to medical school in Brazil and said it was normal for upper-middle class people to have a live-in domestic servant. Many of the floorplans for condos or houses include a servants quarters. They were telling me theirs cost around $12 USD a day which is not a bad deal.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Hot take: As bad as this is, I wonder if it would be kinder to leave her with the family for the rest of her life. This lady is in her 60s, does she even know any other way to even live? Life with that family may be better than whatever Brazil's equivalent of welfare shelters are. Seems like that may have been why the case workers left her with that family for now.

If they pay her what she’s owed and the damages. She can get her place, hire people and pay them to care of her or help her.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Hot take: As bad as this is, I wonder if it would be kinder to leave her with the family for the rest of her life. This lady is in her 60s, does she even know any other way to even live? Life with that family may be better than whatever Brazil's equivalent of welfare shelters are. Seems like that may have been why the case workers left her with that family for now.

If I had a guess, the family got rid off her the easy way when she was old, they saved themselves a lot of money.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Statistics suggest >facts Statistical inference is not established fact. I'm not defending parent comment above, but to be clear, it's not actually established as a fact that "Maria" was black, right? "Maria" isn't even her real name.

Correction as stated below: "Statistics suggest that Maria was undoubtedly poor and, most likely, Black."

It very explicitly guesses that she is black, based solely on statistical inference.

From TFA: "Statistics suggest that Maria was undoubtedly poor and, most likely, Black."

To read this as established fact is analogous to asserting as established fact that if you roll a six-sided die, you will certainly get a number A careful read also reveals that none of the woman's actual identifying information was revealed, including her name, for her own privacy:

"We’ll call her Maria, the most common female name in Brazil, because authorities have not disclosed her real name in order to protect her identity."

Follow-up edit: thank you for your correction, I appreciate the epistemic humility and good-faith dialogue.

Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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$40k compensation for 55 years of service...

The crime done here is nearly death penalty levels. Nearly. Jail time for the entire family or stripped of all wealth. Maybe public humiliation is better, release names and address.

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Re: Woman in Brazil enslaved for 55 years by 3 generations of the same family

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You reckon swearing is what makes the difference?

I'm saying maturity, respect and a modicum of decorum makes a difference.

To whatever degree this site isn't a cesspool, we owe it to Dang, not the bad word police. They didn't swear at you, so there's no reason to get bent out of shape about it.

It's ironic you're taking this stance on an article about a respectable family that literally kept a slave.

There's a difference between superficial trappings of respectability, and actually treating people with respect.

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