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Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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For a context: France relies heavily on automotive transport, plus it's a home to enormous agricultural sector, tractors are literally everywhere in the country during the summer. To a certain degree, structurally it resembles USA a lot.

However they also quite famously rely on a majority of nuclear power for their electric grid. Great for France, but that makes them an already-low carbon emitter compared to many others and an ungenerous comparison.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Man, we are cooked, literally

The solution is simple: require datacenters to overprovision solar panels and grid-scale batteries for themselves, and use that capacity to strengthen the grid and transition off of hydrocarbons.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

#14

Man, we are cooked, literally

The solution is simple: require datacenters to overprovision solar panels and grid-scale batteries for themselves, and use that capacity to strengthen the grid and transition off of hydrocarbons.

You can’t get a grid tie for those panels in most of the US right now. The process for connecting to the grid is done serially, and requires a large study for any new generation.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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In related current news: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/07/11/irish-datacen... The latest figures from Ireland's Central Statistics Office (CSO) show that giant server farms now account for nearly a quarter of the country's metered electricity consumption. Their share rose to 23 percent in 2025 after passing 20 percent in 2023 and 14 percent in 2…

One more datacenter bro one more datacenter bro please I swear bro one more datacenter and everything will be OK please bro

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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But... Datacenters don't burn anything, right? Powerplants do and we try to switch all the transport and heating and whatever to be electric. So the answer is to build the damb nuclear power and a lot of it and price CO2 emissions at the actual cost of sucking the thing back out if the atmosphere

> price CO2 emissions at the actual cost of sucking the thing back out if the atmosphere This is the only relevant bit actually. The rest will follow from there. And in principle, at least in Europe, we already have some mechanisms to do this. We'd "just" have to up the prices. BUT of course with the right wing on the advance, and with them having identified basic physics (i.e. climate change) as a culture war terrai…

*raise the prices

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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In related current news: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/07/11/irish-datacen... The latest figures from Ireland's Central Statistics Office (CSO) show that giant server farms now account for nearly a quarter of the country's metered electricity consumption. Their share rose to 23 percent in 2025 after passing 20 percent in 2023 and 14 percent in 2…

One more datacenter bro one more datacenter bro please I swear bro one more datacenter and everything will be OK please bro

The optimal number of data centers is just enough so that my personal use is covered. No more. No less. Screw other people’s needs and demands because I know better.

Pluralism? What’s that?

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One more datacenter bro one more datacenter bro please I swear bro one more datacenter and everything will be OK please bro

The optimal number of data centers is just enough so that my personal use is covered. No more. No less. Screw other people’s needs and demands because I know better. Pluralism? What’s that?

I know that market, and people for that matter don't care, but the environmentalist in me questions the word "needs" in the context of using AI.

Re: Datacentres drive up big tech's carbon emissions to a third of those of France

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The optimal number of data centers is just enough so that my personal use is covered. No more. No less. Screw other people’s needs and demands because I know better. Pluralism? What’s that?

I know that market, and people for that matter don't care, but the environmentalist in me questions the word "needs" in the context of using AI.

I'd be more OK with it if prices weren't subsidized so much and people actually had to pay to ask opus how to pee, then maybe we would realize we don't need beefier models for everything
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