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Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by jibal »

croes wrote: post #57
jibal wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh? Vint is KNOWN AS "the father of the Internet", and that's what TFA's title says. https://web.archive.org/web/20131104212006/http://deafness.a... > He is routinely referred to as "the father of the internet," There is no one else who is referred to that way. If you google "father of the Internet", Vint pops up. https://www.inmesol.com/blog/fathers-internet/ > Vinton Cerf (Connecticut, 1943) Considered to be the fo…

The title of your second link is "The Fathers of the Internet" and Robert Kahn as co-inventor of TCP/IP protocol is also considered a father of the internet. BTW if I google father of the internet I get Cerf and Kahn or it says "a father"

I know what the title says, of course ... but the title is descriptive, not a label, and only Cerf is referred to as the father, as quoted. And yes of course Kahn co-invented TCP/IP but no one ever calls him father of the Internet. And I already said what happens if you google "father of the Internet" -- what I said is actually true.

And none of this is really relevant because it's TFA that should determine HN titles. But for better or worse the mod has made his decision, so this is moot -- I won't comment on it further.

And man, for someone who calls something "nitpicking" to dig so deep into it ...

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by bookofjoe »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #36
nubinetwork wrote: post #23

The dude is in his 80s, he should have been allowed to retire decades ago.

I was forced to retire, at 55. Good ol’ SV ageism at work. Wasn’t happy about it - at all , but I’m fortunate, in having the means to do so. That was almost nine years ago, and I actually increased my development work, with the caveat that no one pays me to do it, anymore. Probably one of the best things that ever happened to me, but I didn’t think so, at the time. I wish him luck.

I had to look up SV

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by [deleted] »

echelon wrote: post #28
chips_not_fries wrote: post #3

A genuine innovator No matter what you think of Google

Google can't tarnish Vint Cerf. There are lots of brilliant people at Google who do no evil. The fact that the company makes evil decisions about the direction of the web, privacy, and performs blatantly monopolistic actions does not outweigh the good things people at Google have done. At least not yet. You can hate the company but love the brilliant work the engineers have done. The same can be said of lots of compa…

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Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by [deleted] »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #38
echelon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google can't tarnish Vint Cerf. There are lots of brilliant people at Google who do no evil. The fact that the company makes evil decisions about the direction of the web, privacy, and performs blatantly monopolistic actions does not outweigh the good things people at Google have done. At least not yet. You can hate the company but love the brilliant work the engineers have done. The same can be said of lots of compa…

Wasn’t the first time, for him, but he has managed to keep his name in the clear. He worked for MCI/Worldcomm, before Google. Bernie Ebbers went to jail, for that. Ahh… the good ol’ days, when we actually jailed scumbag billionaires, instead of voting massive pay bumps…

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Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by Sesse__ »

hyperman1 wrote: post #56
Sesse__ wrote: post #50

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I was at a talk where he brought up exactly this (I also once did a talk alongside him, but that's a different story). He said there would be two changes: 1. It would have 128-bit addresses. 2. It would have end-to-end encryption (or was it authentication, I forget). IPv6 was supposed to fix both of these, with IPsec mandatory, but the latter demand sort of faded out into obscurity. We ended up basically solving encr…

Doing this brings you close to OSI, which famously failed by being overcomplicated. The current design was implementable by zillions of cheap humans running cheap hardware. I always wonder if the internet is thesurvivor of the networking cambrian explosion, with a slight roll of the dice making another candidate the winner.

> The current design was implementable by zillions of cheap humans running cheap hardware.

Yes and no. The current internet arguably does not work without a browser and a TLS stack anyway, neither of which is easily implementable (e.g. number of practically usable rendering engines is in the single digits). I mean, I can piece together an IP packet, too, but there's not that many usable services reachable that way.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by gilrain »

greenchair wrote: post #75
dctoedt wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Al Gore is definitely one of them! Absolutely correct — and that's not sarcasm or irony. (Gore never claimed to have "invented the Internet"; that was a calumny spread by Republicans.)

1999 CNN interview where Gore stated: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet".

And that was true, within his context as senator. He was instrumental in passing the laws that fostered the Internet.

It’s astonishing, I know, but the heavily-parroted meme was always reductive and is, at this point, misnformation.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by justin66 »

ixaxaar wrote: post #74
jvanderbot wrote: post #66

I met Vint at the Kech Institute for Space Studies. He arrived to help us look at in-space data centers for planetary science throughout the solar system. He was a big proponent of delay-tolerant networking and other useful networking stacks, so he was the "rep" for that layer of problems. Just the nicest guy you could imagine. He took the note-takers job during our breakouts, had beers with us after the session, and…

Apparently there's "more to come" and its not a complete retirement.

It’s hard to imagine that guy sitting still.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

bookofjoe wrote: post #82
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was forced to retire, at 55. Good ol’ SV ageism at work. Wasn’t happy about it - at all , but I’m fortunate, in having the means to do so. That was almost nine years ago, and I actually increased my development work, with the caveat that no one pays me to do it, anymore. Probably one of the best things that ever happened to me, but I didn’t think so, at the time. I wish him luck.

I had to look up SV

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