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Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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I actually hope the turbotech holds up under actual use. I'd love to toss my IO-550Cs for Jet-A.

Ah, a Skywagon enjoyer?

:) Baron. some 300hp effective little turbines with non-ridiculous fuel burn would be a "shut up and take my money" moment for me.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Maybe you can enlighten me. My question that once you mined the materials for the car + battery, shipped that somewhere to be built, then shipped that to be sold. Then you have the added waste battery once it not longer hold enough charge. Is it actually better for the environment? If we add all this extra pull on the grid we need to generate the power for that too.

Lithium batteries can be recycled really well. That's why there's so much effort going into tracking them. So they don't end up in a landfill.

It can be done, e.g.: https://batterycouncil.org/battery-facts-and-applications/ho...

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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post #132

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Lithium batteries can be recycled really well. That's why there's so much effort going into tracking them. So they don't end up in a landfill.

It can be done, e.g.: https://batterycouncil.org/battery-facts-and-applications/ho...

That's about lead batteries, totally different game

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Lithium batteries can be recycled really well. That's why there's so much effort going into tracking them. So they don't end up in a landfill.

That’s good to know. This was one of my thoughts. If the evs end up generating a tonne of material that we can’t do anything with that would be a short term gain.

Yes and the good thing is, the lithium can be mostly recovered and that mean it doesn't have to be mined again for the next car. Lithium mining is a messy polluting process so that's really good.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Ah, a Skywagon enjoyer?

:) Baron. some 300hp effective little turbines with non-ridiculous fuel burn would be a "shut up and take my money" moment for me.

I would prefer a twin high wing with the existing TP-R90s. Unfortunately manufacturers don't like dual high wings :/

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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It's worse now, people are doing "51% Build Assists" (most famously Vans and Sling aircraft) to save money where the factory would give you an IKEA plane kit and you will maybe put in a few screws and decals and install the avionics panel and you will sit in the room and watch them assemble the rest of the plane "under your supervision". Then the whole thing will get penciled whipped as an Experimental Owner-Built ai…

Isn’t it better? Some people dont want to pay the extra overhead and cost burden of the manufacturer taking partial liablity. They’re willing to take a risk.

The way I see it is that it's a structural failure of the licensing system and the FAA. Imagine after a few high profile celebrity car crashes, the Feds decided that new car designs after a certain year carries manufacturer liability and everything before has no liability. If you want a car at a reasonable price, you have to go assemble your own from pre fabbed parts. It forces the industry to become all-or-nothing with no reasonable room for nuance or debate. That's basically lazy lawmaking. The powers that be are hoping that general aviation as a category goes away completely. (And the useless AOPA is complacent, support EAA folks)

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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I had one purple link on that second Wikipedia page, which (macabre as it sounds) was very interesting to read through: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_th... Also leads to another great list-of-lists; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_unusual_deaths

Even more macabre (I should not admit to this publically...): I can't help but find this one (from your first link) quite... hilarious https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reichelt.ogv Elaborate contraption, jumps, falls like a stone, is dead. The end. Imaginary person: "But he had balls and believed in his own theories." Me: "Ehm but... how difficult would it have been to throw a wooden puppet instead... or run scaled…

There just are so many unfortunate deaths, that one feels so preventable as well. I also have to admit to liking the ending of the Wikipedia image description a lot:

> [...] Police and others crowd around the body of Reichelt as it is carried away. They then measure the depth of the hole in the frozen ground made by his fall (15 cm).

At least they got something out of it I suppose :)

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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It’s a direct quote. But you mean well.

Well damn I'm sorry now I'm curious - a direct quote from what?

From a song, spelling is different but it does end with “makes you more strong”. Looks for broken, beaten, scared.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Batteries fortunately do not destroy the raw materials they are made from. So eventually we can stop mining new raw materials once we have built enough batteries. In addition, batteries for cars live a surprising long time - and can be used to stabilize the grid once they diminish in oomf (technical term).

The fact that we're throwing them into the garbage in the form of disposable vapes doesn't give me hope for the future tho.

I'd be happy if people threw them in garbage, but I often see them tossed on the street. Sickens me to see
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