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Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t post snarky or low-substance comments on HN. As another commenter has pointed out, Vint Cerf himself credits Gore as playing a significant role in enabling the Internet’s emergence. He didn’t claim to have “invented” it.

You can just hide things you don't like, or y'know, live and let live.

(The person you are replying to is one of HN's mods.)

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t post snarky or low-substance comments on HN. As another commenter has pointed out, Vint Cerf himself credits Gore as playing a significant role in enabling the Internet’s emergence. He didn’t claim to have “invented” it.

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For reference the quote is “ During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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I worked on the ARPANET project under Steve Crocker at UCLA and met his bud Vint there (with his ever-present 3 piece suit, briefcase, and hearing aids) ... what a great guy.

An anecdote: I wrote a program (in Sigma-7 assembler I think) to play Jotto--a bit like Mastermind but with 5 letter words. Vint loved to poke around in people's directories to see what they were up to and found my program. He played it a few times, and then collared me to ask me a couple of questions: 1) It seemed to know some of the words he entered but not all -- what was up with that? 2) What sort of AI algorithm was I using for the program to make guesses? (It usually beat the human player.)

Answers: 1) I didn't have a digitized dictionary (it was 1969!) so I hand-entered the five letter words from a pocket dictionary but got tired halfway through so it only knew words starting with a-l. 2) The program would eliminate any words that didn't fit the responses to its guesses so far and then pick a remaining word at random.

Upon hearing my answers Vint walked away in disgust! But years later he gave me a recommendation when I interviewed with Google (it didn't work out for other reasons).

I also shared a cubicle wall with another Van Nuys High alumni, Jon Postel, aka "God of the Internet". Sartorially, Jon was the complete opposite of Vint--long scraggly beard, blue jeans, forever barefoot--but those weren't the things that mattered. Man, those were the days.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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The dude is in his 80s, he should have been allowed to retire decades ago.

Lots of people continue working because they enjoy it and to keep busy.

When I retire, I'm working on my stuff, not anyone else's. :)

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t post snarky or low-substance comments on HN. As another commenter has pointed out, Vint Cerf himself credits Gore as playing a significant role in enabling the Internet’s emergence. He didn’t claim to have “invented” it.

You can just hide things you don't like, or y'know, live and let live.

> You can just hide things you don't like, or y'know, live and let live.

The same goes for you. Calling out bullshit and disinformation benefits the whole community,unlike nonsensical remarks. So if you don't appreciate efforts to counter nonsense by bringing facts to the discussion, just sit this one out.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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A genuine innovator No matter what you think of Google

I may be biased since I interned at Google in 2013 and 2014, but Google in the 2000s and early 2010s felt downright magical as someone who wanted to pursue a career in systems software research. They made impressive technologies that still hold up today, like MapReduce, BigTable, and Spanner. They hired many legends of computer science and software engineering, such as Rob Pike and Jeff Dean.

I’m concerned about the power that Google and other Big Tech companies have, but from a technical point of view Google has a lot of impressive technologies, and from a workplace standpoint, it seemed idyllic back in the early 2010s, though I’ve heard the work culture has changed in the past decade, and I may have rose-colored glasses from only being an intern there, never a full-timer.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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hah. I was an intern at Google in 2005 when he was hired and remember the wave of reverence that went through Mountain View. Salute to a legend! It’s like two lifetimes in tech years. I remember that summer Google Earth was launched, we were a year removed from the Gmail launch, and I worked on shipping the first Summer of Code.

wow, that was the golden age of Google.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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Nitpicking: a father of the internet not the father. There is more than one.

Thanks! We’ve updated the title.

Eh? Vint is KNOWN AS "the father of the Internet", and that's what TFA's title says.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131104212006/http://deafness.a...

> He is routinely referred to as "the father of the internet,"

There is no one else who is referred to that way. If you google "father of the Internet", Vint pops up.

https://www.inmesol.com/blog/fathers-internet/

> Vinton Cerf (Connecticut, 1943) Considered to be the founding father of the Internet.

Re: Vint Cerf, “father of the Internet”, is retiring

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I wonder if he would have designed TCP/IP differently if he'd had the chance to have a second go of it. Maybe having multiple streams within a single connection, like QUIC does, would have been a better choice. Also being able to demarcate message boundaries within the protocol itself, perhaps, instead of it being a simple byte stream.

I was at a talk where he brought up exactly this (I also once did a talk alongside him, but that's a different story). He said there would be two changes:

1. It would have 128-bit addresses. 2. It would have end-to-end encryption (or was it authentication, I forget).

IPv6 was supposed to fix both of these, with IPsec mandatory, but the latter demand sort of faded out into obscurity. We ended up basically solving encryption by pushing everything into TLS anyway, which I guess solved much of the same problems although at a very different layer.

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