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Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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This decade began with a pandemic. Its origins and impact can be debated, but it did enormous and lasting harm, unreasonably.

The last presidential election disenfranchised a party (and with it half the country), suppressing turnout. Half of this country had no say in their nominee, by design.

Then A.I. was predicted to end white collar employment.

And now we are at war, with threats to security and economic stability that are unpredictable.

Nobody wanted any of this. Such is the sentiment of our decade.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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I think it is a wonderful time to start a business. Owner-run businesses tend to have great customer service. As consumers, we have some choice to give our attention to businesses where the people doing the work are the ones that own the company, if they aren't, then give your money to someone else. Stop supporting businesses that pay their taxes to Ireland. This isn't a perfect solution and I know there are counter-…

I've realized this as well, the bigger the company the worse the experience.

The more customers they have the less they care about any individual customer.

The more products they have the less they care about any single product.

The more employees they have the less they care about each individual employee doing a good job. And there's no they any more, there's a big, soul-less profit glutton.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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The Amazon app is unusable. I don't know what they are doing to it but today it wouldn't let me add more than 4 items. Also the design choices suck; I have always accidentally ordered to the wrong address because Amazon uses a "default address". A good rule of design; assume that the user doesn't think about things that they don't explicitly select. They also just advertise cheap crap and the app is so maximalist it…

Yeah just go to a local store and buy something. Feel some community and support community. It’s the life you’ve been missing and trying to buy with Amazon

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Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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All of the notes regarding the degraded quality and customer support / experience for products and services is true. But the additional factor is that so many of us are pushed to the brink now, in terms of affordability and costs of goods and services. If you're making good money and you order a sub-par product, it's definitely a frustration, but it's not the end of the world. But now, for so many, there is less marg…

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Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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The Amazon app is unusable. I don't know what they are doing to it but today it wouldn't let me add more than 4 items. Also the design choices suck; I have always accidentally ordered to the wrong address because Amazon uses a "default address". A good rule of design; assume that the user doesn't think about things that they don't explicitly select. They also just advertise cheap crap and the app is so maximalist it…

>Can we get a competitor please?

Don’t shop on the internet. Shop in the real world.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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This article reads like rage bait and it's about rage bait. Reading this then taking to the comments to kvetch about your personal suffering is learned helplessness writ large. There are so many beautiful parks. There are so many experiences to be had away from sources of rage & frustration. But you won't find it from a publication that depends on your rage addiction.

What exactly do you think your comment is? Metagriping is not somehow superior. Stop complaining about other people complaining.

At least they're complaining about systems and trying to think about how to regulate or change them. You're just complaining about your neighbors.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually making the case for why agencies like the CFPB are a bad way to go about this. If that was a class action lawsuit instead, the plaintiff's lawyers aren't going to drop the case just because there was a change of administrations.

It's more a case for why the US system of government is a failure.

Perhaps it’s not the system, perhaps it’s the electorate.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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The sarcasm is the problem. In many markets the market is too consolidated and the consumer doesn't actually have an option that isn't a scam, but in those cases the solution shouldn't be to regulate the oligopolies while leaving them in place to buy off the regulators or weasel their way out of the rules with expensive lawyers, it should be to break them into smaller pieces so they actually have to compete with each…

Sarcasm is the problem? What an insane take. You'll need to explain that one for us lol. Perhaps you meant "their (sarcastic) implication that the only solution is regulation is the problem"? I would agree. I just chose one thing to use in my sarcastic comment and believe there are multiple solutions – I'm glad it's sparked a sub thread.

The nature of sarcasm is to put up a straw man so weak that it falls over on its own rather than needing you to knock it down. The problem, of course, is that it's a straw man.

In this case, nobody really thinks that a market where you have an oligopoly with few alternatives that are all scamming you is any good. But the problem there is the lack of competition rather than its presence, and the markets that actually have vigorous competition do pretty well.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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> what is most likely a simple mistake or process breakdown I think this needs justification. My status quo is to believe that most times I have a problem when dealing with these large corporations that they've made any process for getting support or remediating what _should_ be a simple process breakdown is a labyrinth of steps to make it as difficult as possible to reach any sort of remedy to discourage you from ev…

Have you ever worked for a large corporation? Have you seen how bureaucratic everything is? It's the nature of the beast. It's not calculated, and not personal. It's a process scaled to deal with thousands or millions of people. That's why when I have a problem with my internet service, I never call, or use the website, or use the app. I go to the Xfinity retail store and talk to someone. I almost always leave satisf…

> It's not calculated, and not personal.

It doesn't have to be either of these things to be intentional. Pretty much every large system is too complex to be calculated or personal in the way we would apply those terms to a human. However, you can still describe a system as having values and goals, still analyse it in terms of its incentives and the mechanisms it evolves to achieve them in its environment.

The incentives are continued YoY growth, the environment is a saturated market, and so the mechanisms are monopolistic and anti-consumer practices. "Go to the Xfinity retail store" doesn't prove anything except that you passed an effort gate, segmenting you away from someone working two jobs with young children at home. 1% of customers costing the company $10 is the same as 100% of customers costing them 10c, with the added benefit that your segment is more likely to hurt retention than the one with no time or energy for comparison-shopping.

Did a single person design and orchestrate this state of affairs? Unlikely, but the company as a whole is more than capable of blobbing its bureaucratic way towards more efficient digestion of your funds. Never underestimate dumb optimisation processes at scale. Given enough time, such processes have turned monkeys into Shakespeare.

Re: Why are US consumers so angry? It's not just high prices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever worked for a large corporation? Have you seen how bureaucratic everything is? It's the nature of the beast. It's not calculated, and not personal. It's a process scaled to deal with thousands or millions of people. That's why when I have a problem with my internet service, I never call, or use the website, or use the app. I go to the Xfinity retail store and talk to someone. I almost always leave satisf…

> It's the nature of the beast. It's not calculated, and not personal. These are simply weird declarations that you're making, and 20 years ago the world was not like this. > It's a process scaled to deal with thousands or millions of people. You're saying this as if there weren't thousands or millions of people 20 years ago. > I go to the Xfinity retail store and talk to someone. I almost always leave satisfied. I'v…

You say "these companies don't have to compete anymore". How can you justify that statement? Do you have a reference/statistic/URL?
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