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AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

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Post by Aurornis »

slopinthebag wrote: post #205
Aurornis wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In most of "land of the free", I can't even sit on a park bench and drink a can of beer. Freedom doesn’t mean you get to do whatever you want with property that isn’t yours. You can sit on your own bench on your own property and drink a beer. The people of the city can decide that they don’t want people using the taxpayer funded public benches used for that. Other cities do allow it. But freedom doesn’t mean anyone…

The issue is state ownership of property more than anything else. If it was truly a public space, drinking a beer wouldn’t be a problem at all.

That’s not what public space means by any modern definition of the word.

This is still trying to equate public with anarchy, but they’re very different concepts.

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Post by slopinthebag »

Aurornis wrote: post #211
slopinthebag wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is state ownership of property more than anything else. If it was truly a public space, drinking a beer wouldn’t be a problem at all.

That’s not what public space means by any modern definition of the word. This is still trying to equate public with anarchy, but they’re very different concepts.

Just because people conflate “public” with “state-owned” doesn’t mean it’s somehow not state owned.

Call it “unowned” property if you want. It doesn’t matter.

Anarchy doesn’t mean chaos either, it means without rulers. You’re conflating those terms as well.

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Post by samtheprogram »

ericpauley wrote: post #164
lilerjee wrote: post #38

No central idea, and somewhat chaotic But the one argument is right: > Reality has lots of finicky details. I would like to see the authors of this document try to change a bike tire. Even with a superintelligent ChatGPT, I suspect they would struggle. Details can kill AI, causing them useless or wrong directions.

Am I missing something here? Bike tires are pretty much the easiest tires to change. You don’t even really need irons and it involves a few very basic steps.

That's the point, he chose something very easy to do to illustrate how out of touch he thinks they are. It's obviously not the case.

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Post by slopinthebag »

geekfeatures wrote: post #197
Aurornis wrote: post #180

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I’m consistently amazed that people will watch what’s happening with controlling governments around the world and still advocate for surrendering more power to governments. There’s some deep cognitive dissonance where people dislike what they see governments doing, but think that their ideal imagined laws will only be used by some other imagined government that doesn’t have the challenges of real governments. It all…

I think the government fears are deserved. But equally corporations pose the generally the same risks. As corporations having increasing power over governments, they in many countries even write the laws. We have many examples of this in New Zealand. I think shifting the lens to power and class is possibly a more valuable lens.

Governments have an order of magnitude more power than any corporation, as they hold a virtual absolute monopoly on sanctioned violence. That powerful entities can sometimes influence governments should not be conflated with actually holding that power.

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Post by Jordan-117 »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #200
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #3

Yep, that's horrifying. Imagine LLMs not just denying information about, to intentionally choose a hot button example, abortions but also invisibly logging a black mark against the asker for thoughtcrime/precrime because the current ruling party has baked their ideology into law. [EDIT] Imagine subtle injection of biases into responses that support the agenda of the current ruling party and failing to include any cou…

I'm wildly optimistic about the direction this is going to go, but my one dystopia idea that crops up occasionally is a "smart social credit system" that lives kind of under the hood of society. Once everything is more or less modulated by AI, suppose the technology gets good enough to identify a potential dissident in grade school. Then to keep them from going into the mountains with their friends and rifles, you ma…

Historically speaking, isn't the core of most revolutions the product of "elite overproduction" -- educated young people expecting to secure a high status position who are instead shunted into lower prospects? Seems like trapping ideological agitators in near-precarity with no way out would be feeding into that pressure.

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Post by metoobruh »

pornel wrote: post #198
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #169

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> ChatGPT will indeed flag your account Oh no, I'll have to spin up a new e-mail address...

And prove you're not a child by handing over your ID or selfie to a company that Values Your Privacy according to their price list. Microsoft will snitch your Windows install GUID when you connect through a VPN. If you make your connection too anonymous, Google's recaptcha will not let your through until you use your mobile phone to prove your humanity, which knows your phone number (which in many countries can't be…

It only ends when heads start rolling, and/or bodies start hanging from lampposts. There's no voting your way out of dystopia.

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Post by metoobruh »

slopinthebag wrote: post #214
geekfeatures wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the government fears are deserved. But equally corporations pose the generally the same risks. As corporations having increasing power over governments, they in many countries even write the laws. We have many examples of this in New Zealand. I think shifting the lens to power and class is possibly a more valuable lens.

Governments have an order of magnitude more power than any corporation, as they hold a virtual absolute monopoly on sanctioned violence. That powerful entities can sometimes influence governments should not be conflated with actually holding that power.

Both governments and corporations are joined at the hip and are effectively the same. Just like the Republicans and Democrats, and everything else too, like brands of laundry detergent and food labels. It's all owned by the same group of people with the same goal: enslavement of humanity.

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Post by cindyllm »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #181
jMyles wrote: post #36

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In constitutional / jurisdictional / legal terms, perhaps not. In forming consensus about the philosophical underpinnings of the rights we have with respect to the emerging internet? I think so.

How can some words written nearly 250 years ago by some rich slave owners be of any relevance to a modern world

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #161
ks2048 wrote: post #61

> Like we either live in a world with freedom or we don’t, and like many Americans who have come before, I’m willing to give my life to fighting for it. This is a very simplistic view. "Freedom" isn't binary. In most of "land of the free", I can't even sit on a park bench and drink a can of beer. Yes, this is just a small example of a personal freedom - and not an important, cherished freedom like his examples (freed…

> In most of "land of the free", I can't even sit on a park bench and drink a can of beer. Freedom doesn’t mean you get to do whatever you want with property that isn’t yours. You can sit on your own bench on your own property and drink a beer. The people of the city can decide that they don’t want people using the taxpayer funded public benches used for that. Other cities do allow it. But freedom doesn’t mean anyone…

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Aurornis wrote: post #207
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #204

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Ok, but this is so abstract that it fails to connect to the issue at hand. Ancient Athenians would have been quite mystified by the idea that certain metals are so dangerous that nobody must be allowed to own even a small piece of them; we don’t restrict uranium because our democracy is more tyrannical than theirs, we do it because we’ve discovered important facts about nuclear physics they didn’t know. I think it wo…

> Ok, but this is so abstract that it fails to connect to the issue at hand. Ancient Athenians… There is actually a lot to learn from history on this topic. There is a reason why most successful governments are founded with documents outlining the rights that people have and limiting the powers of the government. Your comparison to radioactivity doesn’t hold because you’re trying to compare physical harms to informat…

Again, you're going very deep into incomplete abstractions. If I say the words "100% peanut free!", even though I know my food in fact contains peanuts, I'm going to get into serious trouble and it will do me no good to object that it's tyrannical to punish me for words. Perhaps there's some philosophical sense in which the words were not harmful themselves, but the action of stating them causes harm in obvious and predictable ways, and any functional society has to prevent such things.
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