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Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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“ AI is a bubble. If it wasn't a bubble – if it was just a bunch of computer scientists and product teams tinkering with possible uses for advancements in back-propagation, generative adversarial networks and machine learning – there wouldn't be any controversy here.”

Hard disagree with this. There’s plenty of AI controversy driven by the open source AI scene. The vast majority of AI art controversy, for example, seems to be between artists and guys training SD:XL LoRAs to make porn on CivitAI rather than between big frontier AI companies and artists. While CivitAI is definitely profiting off that, the controversy wouldn’t go away if the guys using data science techniques and their own hardware to train fetish porn models went to HuggingFace or their own volunteer-hosted forums instead of relying on their current distribution platforms.

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #36

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Does anyone know what incentivised citizens to cooperate with the Stasi?

Probably the same as for ICE today.

Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil

Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust

Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland

Popular Opinion and Political Dissent in the Third Reich

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the same as for ICE today.

Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland Popular Opinion and Political Dissent in the Third Reich

The Stasi and the Nazis were two different groups in different time periods. I am only wondering about the Stasi.

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #23

(2025) Doctorow has a book-length version of this, "The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI", which I just read. It's not one of his better works. It's all conventional anti-AI wisdom. Too much of it is about the impact of AI on the punditry and writing industries. I expected better from Doctorow. I would have expected more focus on the relationship between AI and power. Doctorow has been down that road in his f…

is there any good ai book worth reading ? I dont mean things discussing building a tranformer or whatever . I mean like high level ones.

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #3

> A reverse centaur is a machine that uses a human being as its assistant So like a political, military or religious machine does. We're already bred for it. We're Konrad Lorenz's geese, desperate to be led. It's the path of least resistance.

The machine may happen to be the Nietzsche's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Übermensch . Nietzsche analytically extrapolated and foreseen the shape of the things to come, while the state of the tech at the time didn't allow to foresee the actual implementation.

>We're Konrad Lorenz's geese, desperate to be led. It's the path of least resistance.

Us being that way may also be considered a result of evolution driven by the natural selection enforced by the society (similar to how we breed cattle for weight and milk production or turkey for wide breast).

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #43

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Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland Popular Opinion and Political Dissent in the Third Reich

The Stasi and the Nazis were two different groups in different time periods. I am only wondering about the Stasi.

The core is the same - totalitarianism.

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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That is what he said. >When the AI bubble bursts, there will be stellar bargains on GPUs… >these standalone models can do amazing things >The things these open source standalone models can do will only expand, and they will become a given for our computing applications. I think of the “big” foundation models as the “fossil fuel” of AI. Once the bubble pops and we can’t afford to train any more of them, we’ll be disti…

Based on my experience, even the models we have now are a huge benefit when properly used. And we probably have a decade or two of significant gains we can make just with harnesses, skills, heuristics, etc. even if no further progress were made on models.

They'll have stale knowledge though. It's like someone stopped interacting with society five years ago. Are they employable?

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #33

Doctorow has consistently one of the most sober takes on AI in my opinion. He acknowledges that we are in a bubble right now, but also understands that underlying tech has actual merit to it. And he does a good job explaining how the issues people project onto this technology isn't inherent to it, but rather stems from capitalist relations in our society.

Aren't those completely obviously points?

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #31

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/LeftBeyond From 2015. Could a LLM be used to help coordinate a resistance movement?

Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is probably a better-known example of that.

Libertarian fever dream.

Re: Reverse centaurs are the answer to the AI paradox (2025)

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post #19

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People say this about everyone who calls something a bubble, right up until it pops.

Or doesn't. "The stock market has predicted nine out of the last five recessions." And people who don't put their money where their mouth is? The track record gets so much worse.

So far every single one has popped. The record isn't particularly good for "this time is different".
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