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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by stefan_ »

trhway wrote: post #14
stefan_ wrote: post #9

This is an odd article that tries to elevate some random grunt in the field painting their truck white stripes to grand battlefield strategy in the face of autonomous AI killer drones. Neither are the latter real nor is the former actually in widespread use, and it obviously is not effective, not least because the drones it's talking about barely have the resolution at altitude to resolve that detail.

>not least because the drones it's talking about barely have the resolution at altitude to resolve that detail. the drones are used in groups. That is for example how we have a lot of footage of the drones hitting targets. The drone observers or especially the intelligence drone guiding the group would frequently carry much better camera than the actual kamikaze drones (especially when it comes to high-resolution IR…

You are mixing more things. There's lots of ISR drones flying around, from DJIs at 50-150m altitude to bigger fixed wing platforms at 1000-1500m. Their point is to find targets, do BDA and monitor, but not autonomously; it's guys sitting in Discord calls and entering data into BMS.

Most kamikaze drones are FPVs. They can not do anything autonomously because at $300 a pop in a totally GNSS denied environment, after 10 seconds past takeoff none of them have the faintest clue where they are. That's why you see all that footage, they just skip the part where for the first 20 minutes some guy with goggles is navigating them. The bigger fixed wing kamikaze drones like the Hornet above might have better onboard options like VO or triangulating radio beacons, but by all the evidence they are still guided by operators and triggered to dive manually. The biggest issue for all these systems is maintaining their video data link; if they were truly totally autonomous, nobody would bother.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by srameshc »

This title scared me, not for myself but more thinking about how kids will probably need to learn these things next. We are such strange 'intelligent' creatures who have figured out everything but not to be at peace with each other.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by rdist »

1over137 wrote: post #34
orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

CIWS?

Close-In Weapon System

The Phalanx defense systems you see on naval vessels.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by Terr_ »

corky_buchek wrote: post #39
echelon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prescient. This film predated the Ukraine war, and it felt like fiction six years ago. This is absolutely coming. The government is concerned about who might print a 3D gun, but this is the real danger.

The Ukraine war started in 2014.

True, but I think OP's core message is that the movie pre-dated the broader invasion and subsequent drone-heavy combat.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yogthos »

kakacik wrote: post #17
sleepyguy wrote: post #10

If anyone here is into drones, manufactures, ideas, or wants to either use their drone piloting skills or learn how to pilot drones. Ukraine is recruiting for positions. https://usforces.army/en

Just beware that being part of the drone team isnt some comfy safe job far from danger, they are the most hated type of unit currently since they are deciding large part of this war (and any future war it seems). I see videos of ie glide bombs used by both sides targetting specifically positions of drone teams. If all this is clear and you go ahead, all the power to ya, fighting evil in this world is highly commendab…

And drone operators aren't taken prisoner either as a rule.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by NDlurker »

corky_buchek wrote: post #39
echelon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prescient. This film predated the Ukraine war, and it felt like fiction six years ago. This is absolutely coming. The government is concerned about who might print a 3D gun, but this is the real danger.

The Ukraine war started in 2014.

Predated the widespread use of small drones in Ukraine

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by vanviegen »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #28
kakacik wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just beware that being part of the drone team isnt some comfy safe job far from danger, they are the most hated type of unit currently since they are deciding large part of this war (and any future war it seems). I see videos of ie glide bombs used by both sides targetting specifically positions of drone teams. If all this is clear and you go ahead, all the power to ya, fighting evil in this world is highly commendab…

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians?

And what 'orchestrators' exactly do you think benefit from sending their soldiers through a meat grinder? Yes, Russia (not Ukraine) has done a lot of that, but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..?

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