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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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semiquaver wrote: post #739
jtfrench wrote: post #339

Until the industry addresses the Original Sin of Generative AI (and the ascendance of Thievery Corporations), we should expect more and more of this. So far, theft has been rewarded. As long as you make enough money, people seem to be okay with ignoring long-lasting impacts of intellectual theft. As long as you become King of the Cannibals, it seems many are happy to remember you as King and not as the Cannibal.

IP infringement is not theft . There’s a whole “you wouldn’t download a car” meme about this. Intellectual property has always been a made up idea that has been abused for years by big companies far in excess of its societal value. I’m not sad that the force of IP restrictions seems to be weakening, but I am surprised to see so many people in tech that previously were pretty lassez faire on IP to suddenly take it so…

Didn't Anthropic pay like $3 billion dollars or something for their IP theft? And yes, I'm going to keep calling it theft. Comparing a kid stealing a song off limewire to a company stealing the entire internet is not the same thing.

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ungreased0675 wrote: post #174
willtemperley wrote: post #81

This is a really bad look for a company that has vast quantities of our IP stored on its servers.

I don’t put my company’s IP on their servers, because I don’t trust them to not steal it.

If you're using their services, you're more or less giving them their data. (Dunno if that's your situation, just saying)

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flexagoon wrote: post #634
Cider9986 wrote: post #301

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Hasn't his lab not released a single open weight model?

No no you just don't get it, they haven't released one because it's too dangerous and a you're not allowed to have access to it for your own good!

It's so dangerous that we need to wait at least a month to release it while building the hype non stop!

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Post by overgard »

uhfraid wrote: post #162

I forgot they were still working on a device, any guesses what it is? I’m guessing a wrist wearable

I don't really know, but from what I've heard it sounded kind of like a wearable amazon echo. Because I guess reaching into your pocket for your cell phone is too big a lift? Kind of fits with OpenAI's MO of only selling things that lose money (AFAIK the Echo is still unprofitable?)

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Post by tehjoker »

wqaatwt wrote: post #529
tehjoker wrote: post #325

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We have the laws, but I don't have to feel outraged when regular people undercut the oligarchs and those people's interests align with my own.

It’s other oligarchs using regular people to undercut their competitors while offloading most of the risk to those regular people, though.

That's true, but I still benefit from the games being played. It also weakens the oligarchs slightly by reducing their margins. It's also worth remembering that the laws were written by the oligarchs.

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Post by anematode »

wrsh07 wrote: post #821
sealeck wrote: post #772

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I think this comment is quite disingenous -- it's like if there's a rule that says "nobody can walk on the grass" that you object to because you'd like to have a picnic with some friends; your claim is that if someone gets out a bulldozer and drives it across the lawn to make a parking lot followed by an army of lawyers that anyone who wanted to picnic is objecting purely because it's a convenient way to criticise th…

These examples don't really add up to me. You can continue to enjoy the books and articles etc They are just also used to create a new thing In the picnic example, the picnickers can't use the lawn anymore. As an aside: as somebody who lives in a dense area, I also would stay off the lawn. There's a utilitarian element where you have to rotate which lawns are used, and avoid using them when wet etc so as to maximize…

> You can continue to enjoy the books and articles etc

Except for the books that Anthropic bought and destroyed?

There's also the cultural displacement element: while yes, some people (including me) would seek out original content, AI slop is drowning it out. This is decreasing my and others' enjoyment.

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SXX wrote: post #337
decimalenough wrote: post #329

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If you're earning $100k in Silicon Valley, your expenses will swallow up almost all of that. A sudden $100k windfall, on the other hand, tax free and suitably invested,will let you live for years quite comfortably in many poor countries.

Sorry to disappoint you, but no you cannot live "comfortably" in "poor countries" for $100,000 for "years". Well, unless you mean like two years. I lived across South East Asia for more than decade and now live here full time. I have to live on around $20,000 / year most of the time since starting my company. And I do not live anywhere close to what average US / EU citizen will call "comfortable" let alone people fro…

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_aavaa_ wrote: post #269
xnx wrote: post #38

A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

The same can be said about Apple. Several companies have complained about them taking a meeting with apple, presenting their product, only to have Apple then rip it off and build it in house. To say nothing of sherlocking.

Eh, I don't think Apple is particularly ethical or anything (I very much dislike their app store policies), but if you have to choose between two devils Apple is vastly preferable because they're not after my data or my job.

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Post by overgard »

cmiles8 wrote: post #685

OpenAI are really starting to look and smell like “the bad guys” in the industry.

I think their moral failures are just a bit more visible at the moment. I don't think the other companies are much better. Maybe they're more competent at not running afoul of the law.

If this is the kind of thing that makes people want to cancel their ChatGPT subscriptions, I'd suggest going to local models instead of Anthropic, or smaller providers with more stringent ethical guidelines.

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xp84 wrote: post #723
romanovcode wrote: post #558

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Glorious Leader Trump likes them. They gave stock to him.

Too bad for them that Trump probably won’t be on the jury

Yes, because that's the only way powerful people can influence judicial outcomes.
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