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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by vorticalbox »

azinman2 wrote: post #445
nullbio wrote: post #376

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Obviously they are looking at your IP and code. Anthropic trains on your data regardless of you opting out, I know that one for certain. There's no coincidence they "keep your data temporarily despite opting out" - because they wash it in legal loopholes. There is no opt out. These companies WILL steal your business. Only a matter of time before they are sued as well.

> Anthropic trains on your data regardless of you opting out, I know that one for certain. How do you know that?

Well we don’t know but just look at figma, claude for it happened and then Claude design come out.

They knew exactly how developers worked from using figma as training data.

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Post by stefan_ »

nvarsj wrote: post #639

The irony to me is Apple did the exact same thing to Motorola back in the day, which I saw firsthand as a Mot eng. Poached employees and IP. I doubt the iPhone would have happened otherwise. Jobs was absolutely ruthless and would do anything for his goals.

Of course, this is essentially the basis of capitalism. Corporations are just people, folks, spread the knowledge and we all get richer.

The best corporations I worked at had people dedicated to reverse engineering competitor products and were deeply steeped in the market, the worst were those where product just cared about making their bosses happy.

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Post by indigodaddy »

Henchman21 wrote: post #780
HumblyTossed wrote: post #778

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> Whenever I leave a company I make sure everything that belongs to the company goes back to them and I wipe any access credentials or authenticator codes that might be on any of my devices. I can't imagine being so brazen that you'd keep the company laptop and then start using an exploit to download confidential information for your new employer. I work from home and I have a lot of equipment here (because of what I…

Decent people don’t rise to the top in this world. Their — and your — ethics won’t allow it. Which means by definition that the people at the top of the economic pyramid are the very worst of us .

Yike, this notion is deeply troubling to think about

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Post by behnamoh »

ozgung wrote: post #543
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

I think a mandatory first thing for any engineer is to learn, understand and commit for life to the Ethics of their profession. It's a shame all these very picky recruitment processes and 'culture' of these giant companies didn't care about ethics and morality. Relevant articles in IEEE Code of Ethics: 3. to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest whenever possible, and to disclose them to affected parties when…

> I think a mandatory first thing for any engineer is to learn, understand and commit for life to the Ethics of their profession. It's a shame all these very picky recruitment processes and 'culture' of these giant companies didn't care about ethics and morality.

For some reason, the ethics followed by Asians, especially the Chinese are not fully compatible with the ethics of the west. Sometimes Chinese people call it being smart to circumvent or bypass the rules, something that would be called cheating in the west.

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Post by samtheprogram »

sk4rekr0w wrote: post #748
alpineman wrote: post #547

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Do you really believe those policies after stories like this?

The word "stories" in your sentence is very instructive

It's a "news story". Do you think Apple would be suing OpenAI if it was just a "story"?
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