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FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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They seem to be talking about each satellite managing the luminosity of the full moon over a few square kilometres, and getting a few tens of thousands of them. Even if you ignoring how much drag these must have, and hence how much electrical power you'd need for an ion drive just to keep them up, each spot being a few km across (and only getting light while the satellite is over your horizon) is just not compelling.…

> relatively easy to redesign as weapons There is a fiction I've read years ago that mentioned satellites becoming makeshift weapons by overheating exposed objects (think reactors, gas trucks, oil refineries) by acting as a solar furnace [1] via mirrors. Not sure/don't recall how it deals with practical issues such as clouds and distance/intensity, but good enough for a story I guess. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

007: Die Another Day has it as a main plot point.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

#72
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, think about how this can be weaponized. Illuminate an area? Or, focus that energy on a single point and you've got sun powered space lasers?

Except if the reflectors are shaped for wide area illumination, then their focal distance is probably nowhere near the distance from the satellites to the earth’s surface. So I don’t think is any “single point” to be had. Heck, I haven’t done the math or anything but I bet even if you did instead use parabolic reflectors that were tuned to focus at the earth’s surface, it would still be very difficult to keep them ai…

I don't think these things start out looking like a weapons. Wrong reflector shape? It could just be proving out other aspects. It could also be completely innocent too, but I don't think this is quite conspiracy level thinking.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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Wonder what would happen if a hacker focused all ten thousand of them on a single area for an hour or two. Sounds like a really energy-efficient way to demolish a city. X Wing: Wedge’s Gamble (1996) by Michael Stackpole shows the rebel alliance using similar tricks during the battle of Coruscant.

I don't think 50000 60-ft mirrors at the height they intend to fly would cause that to happen. Not enough light gathering power. 50000 60-ft mirrors is about the same area as a single mirror 2.5 miles across. So the area of the mirrors is about the area of a city. You gather as much light as the city itself in regular daytime. If you focused all of that perfectly efficiently onto a city, that city would just look lik…

I think people overestimate the relative strength of the sun.

Then again, assuming there's no dispersion or loss, 50.000 times the sun focused on a 60ft patch will likely have some impact. But that's complete fiction.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

#74
post #54

So we've got this problem of the atmosphere trapping too much heat from solar radiation hitting the surface and the plan is to increase the amount of solar radiation hitting the surface?

It's fine just setup mirrors on the ground to bounce the light back to the satellite! (/s)

You jest but if one sattelite can be used to focus light onto the earth, it can also be used to focus it away from it, evening it out.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

#75
post #15

How are the economics of this idea meant to be viable? The proposed business model is to park hundreds of millions to billion dollars of satellites in orbit, plus the costs to maintain and operate them, to meet the goal of selective area illumination and solar power. Ignoring the issue of cloud cover, which still seems to be an impediment. That's going to need to directly compete with terrestrial energy storage techn…

Think of the military benefits.

Such as? Military in the next 100 years will be drone / remote based, they have IR / night vision and soon to be fully automated. Sunlight can be handy for humans but for decades now the only ones that would benefit from it would be foot soldiers, and they're like the last resort (for western forces anyway).

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

#76
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder if that principle applies here or not It applies, but also in practice the maximum temperature is lower than the theoretical upper bound. https://what-if.xkcd.com/145/

Oh funny, my intuition when I was writing that was “there’s probably an xkcd what if about this”, but I imagined it be about surrounding the sun with mirrors. Same idea though in the end

You may have been thinking of this one instead https://what-if.xkcd.com/141/ . Maybe we should put Randall on the supervillain watchlist.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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post #15

How are the economics of this idea meant to be viable? The proposed business model is to park hundreds of millions to billion dollars of satellites in orbit, plus the costs to maintain and operate them, to meet the goal of selective area illumination and solar power. Ignoring the issue of cloud cover, which still seems to be an impediment. That's going to need to directly compete with terrestrial energy storage techn…

The revenue potential is huge. Think of public events where people might want to illuminate the area as daylight for several hours. Galas, sports, concerts, parties, etc.. They will all pay top dollar and they have the funds. Could get sponsors, "Today's sunlight brought to you by NordVPN"

But they'd be competing with the old fashioned stadium lights. I don't think they would be cheaper somehow.

Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only non-marginal application for this is military, surely. I think so, but even then it's a heck of a lot of work to make it useful for that. > Farming? Don't plants need night too? Does harvesting need the sun anymore? Mostly limited by other things, hence why there's only limited farming in the Sahara, relatively little phytoplankton in the North Atlantic Gyre. > But being able to illuminate a war zone with…

I guess it has policing applications, marginally. But most police forces just use helicopters and night vision, and ultimately rely on the disruptive sound of the helicopter to bring people out to look for whoever they are chasing; the noise of a helicopter makes people vigilant. I just don't really get it.

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Re: FCC approves test of space mirror to light night sky

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How is this under the FCC’s authority?

> The FCC said that the “risks of harm raised on the record regarding Reflect Orbital’s solar reflector are unrelated to the Commission’s role in authorizing use of radiofrequency spectrum.”

The FCC only approved that the satellite would not interfere with other radio communications, not the ultimate purpose. They said themselves they don't have authority for that.

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