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Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Re: Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Post by defrost »

havercosine wrote: post #430
gverrilla wrote: post #263

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Pay your teachers better.

That is the ideal solution. I'll tell you an incident that seems from a black humour novel. A state government in one of the highest populous state in India decided to make biometric attendance for government school teachers, to ensure they are in school. Large number of so called "teachers" started protesting against state, egged on by opportunistic opposition. Because many of them were drawing salaries from governm…

> That's the ground reality of government funded education.

In India perhaps.

In Commonwealth countries such as the UK, AU, CA, NZ, etc. teachers being paid but not attending doesn't go unnoticed and would be part of an award (sick leave, paid vacation time, etc).

What I'm hearing from your anecdote is that in India the government is unable to track it's own employees.

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Post by r_lee »

nephihaha wrote: post #427
burgreblast wrote: post #255

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You’re not claiming that most refugees are running from torture are you? Most are economic refugees running TOWARDS a better economic outcome than is available in their home country.

Economic migrants are not refugees, except if they are fleeing drought or famine.

the EU thinks otherwise

Re: Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Post by lern_too_spel »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #362
lern_too_spel wrote: post #351

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We should do it because of the huge benefits to society. The fact that it is easier than doing something with marginal benefit is why we should do it first.

You have to demonstrate benefits to society before claiming you are providing them

The aforementioned people who revolutionized their fields are the demonstrated benefits. If we're going to stop a technology that could multiply that before it even gets to testing, it shouldn't be done on vibes.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #395
lern_too_spel wrote: post #341

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It does not follow that anything produced by an electronic computational device is bad for children or society. I've personally seen computers teach children barely two years old to read.

Anecdote < Data. Studies consistently show declines in every trackable metric associated with education when computational devices are introduced to the process. Until actual data is presented that contradicts these findings there's no grounds for rational debate.

> Studies consistently show declines in every trackable metric associated with education when computational devices are introduced to the process.

They're doing it wrong, just as the incentives in the classroom are wrong (to increase a number showing how many children meet some artificially low standard of competency). The rational debate comes from the hundreds of people who are doing it right on their own. These days, all the top chess players practice with an engine. All the top mathletes use AoPS tools. It's the same across every academic field, and the level at which the top is performing is far beyond what it was before computers were introduced. The amount of effort it would take to teach a barely two year old to read is far beyond what most parents have to give, but with an electronic device patiently saying letter sounds whenever an infant interacts with letters, it's trivial.

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Post by dang »

zombot wrote: post #188
4c1e6cf928 wrote: post #177

This is bad and you should feel bad about it. What the actual F? You can't be real man. Yeah, lets just monetize kids and ruin their lifes. What a great idea!

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Turning this into a nationalistic flamewar is an additional road to hell that we did not need. This thread was bad enough without it. Please don't post like this to HN again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(p.s. and yes of course we would say exactly the same thing if it were your country someone was slurring)

Re: Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Post by liendolucas »

naishoya wrote: post #422
cognitiveinline wrote: post #357

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> Give children books, creative toys, teach them read, enjoy music, do science or any activity always with a human companion Privileged much?

It's simple for parents - be the human tutor they need. If you're capable of loving them and being responsible for raising them, that task fall to you. Underprivileged by socioeconomic realities? In the US there is Head Start for this problem, and yes, it does work and has been longitudinally proven to do so by independent studies and peer reviewed publication. In a nation without these services, but able to be here…

What on earth are you talking about???

I didn't get a single coherent idea from any sentence/paragraph.

Shame on me? Shame on you for not being concise, synthetic and to the point.

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Post by zeroCalories »

dang wrote: post #435
zombot wrote: post #188

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Turning this into a nationalistic flamewar is an additional road to hell that we did not need. This thread was bad enough without it. Please don't post like this to HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (p.s. and yes of course we would say exactly the same thing if it were your country someone was slurring)

Hi can you please delete my account? I'm trying to quit posting on social media

Re: Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Post by forgetfreeman »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #434
forgetfreeman wrote: post #395

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Anecdote < Data. Studies consistently show declines in every trackable metric associated with education when computational devices are introduced to the process. Until actual data is presented that contradicts these findings there's no grounds for rational debate.

> Studies consistently show declines in every trackable metric associated with education when computational devices are introduced to the process. They're doing it wrong, just as the incentives in the classroom are wrong (to increase a number showing how many children meet some artificially low standard of competency). The rational debate comes from the hundreds of people who are doing it right on their own. These da…

I look forward to your nomination for Secretary of Education since you appear to have a handle on something trained professionals on two continents backed by billion dollar industries have failed to master.

Re: Building a real-time AI tutor for 5-year-olds

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Post by slowmovintarget »

cyphar wrote: post #279
dcx wrote: post #122

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The explanation I've heard is that the national curriculum switched away from phonics and to a teaching method called "balanced literacy", and this went terribly [1]. IIRC it involved teaching kids to recognize words by their overall visual shape. I believe this is what mature readers do, but the problem is that for this to work, one first needs to have bootstrapped a robust vocabulary. And that happens via being abl…

I've heard a lot of people argue that phonics are vastly superior to "whole word" techniques, and maybe that's true -- I'm definitely not an expert, though it is how I was taught English in Australia ~30 years ago. However, I find it quite hard to believe that it is the most important cause of the modern literacy rate issues in the US. Why? Because "whole word" teaching was the conventional wisdom since at least the…

Go back to the 18th and 19th centuries and you land back in phonics-land. The fad of whole-word and three-queuing lasted a generation and has produced terrible results. Those techniques even induce dyslexia in some cases.
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