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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by everfrustrated »

nullbio wrote: post #376
impulser_ wrote: post #350

This is basically the end of OpenAI hardware. This is by far worst than the Waymo vs. Uber lawsuit which killed the Uber self driving project. Also if you are a business using OpenAI models, I would highly suggest you do not because they are most likely looking at your code and IP.

Obviously they are looking at your IP and code. Anthropic trains on your data regardless of you opting out, I know that one for certain. There's no coincidence they "keep your data temporarily despite opting out" - because they wash it in legal loopholes. There is no opt out. These companies WILL steal your business. Only a matter of time before they are sued as well.

>Anthropic trains on your data

This is why companies are wanting the AWS hosted models because they trust AWS running of the same models more than the vendors themselves.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

rafram wrote: post #255
joe_mamba wrote: post #152

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>Whenever I leave a company I make sure everything that belongs to the company goes back to them Because you're probably come from a high trust culture where you've been taught reciprocal trust, responsibility and accountability, but there's people coming from low trust environments where exploiting loopholes and scamming everyone outside their inner circle is the norm, and it's the way they learned to get ahead in l…

I’ve been seeing this “high-trust society” dog whistle a lot lately, and I think it’s one of the funniest of its kind. You truly want me to believe that the United States, a country with a history of slavery and segregation, a country that went through a historical period dominated by people literally called “robber barons,” was a high-trust society before immigrants from less industrialized places came and ruined th…

It isn't a dog whistle. Dubai, Japan are also high trust.

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Post by xp84 »

romanovcode wrote: post #558
downrightmike wrote: post #452

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Also OpenAI is the one that bought all the ram chips for the years to come, so no one likes them

Glorious Leader Trump likes them. They gave stock to him.

Too bad for them that Trump probably won’t be on the jury

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Post by m3kw9 »

avodonosov wrote: post #492

If instead of downloading the files they took the info out in the form of neural network trained on the files and able to reproduce the information, that would be just fair use, 100 pound.

Is the same clean room technique used for code bases.

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Post by diab0lic »

blueblisters wrote: post #333
Robdel12 wrote: post #70

OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

OpenAI will just put the employees involved under the bus. They can claim the information acquired wasn't used for OpenAI's benefit or authorization especially since the device isn't actually out yet.

Given that they tricked a vendor in using a secret metal finishing technique by lying and saying they had permission… I’d say the “wasn’t used for OpenAI’s benefit” argument is going to be a difficult case to make. They’ve got intent at the very least.

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Post by xp84 »

SteveGerencser wrote: post #364
appplication wrote: post #286

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An acquaintance of mine was accidentally wired about $100k when it was supposed to be $5k. Before it could be reversed, they moved accounts and immediately bought a one way flight out of country. They then changed all socials and handles. They are now ignoring all court documents and are on track to get a default judgement against them. Their rationale? “It’s mine, they owed me this”. They are 100% convinced that the…

I had a client send me an ACH that was legitimately a fat finger extra zero. For me, it was a "lot" of truck payments. For them, it was a rounding error that they were unaware of until I reached out and let them know about their mistake. I couldn't wait to make it right with them because it bothered me so much because suddenly I had a pile of money that was theirs and not mine.

This reminds me of the terribly designed timesheet system I was using earlier this year, where I accidentally logged like 55 hours of work for something instead of 55 minutes… I got a shocking direct deposit that week and had to mail them back a large check. Really hope they definitely don’t mess up the 1099!

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Post by protimewaster »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #631
mhdi_kr99 wrote: post #562

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steam/valve are good guys

Valve had to be dragged kicking and screaming by Australia just to provide the basic fundamental right of refunds . Large corporations are not your friend. They are the enemy; they vary only in type and depth of diabolicalness.

I do always think it's interesting that the "bad" guys like EA had, for a long time, much friendlier store terms (refunds) than Valve did.

I also never thought that it was very nice of Valve to historically have security practices that are so bad that a group of security experts wrote them a letter begging for better security practices.

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Post by airstrike »

chii wrote: post #648
pdpi wrote: post #499

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If the only reason you didn't behave that way to begin with is that you lack the money and power to evade the consequences, then yes. You really are that person.

while i somewhat agree with that reasoning, it can go too far - most people would murder and kill if there weren't any consequences to doing so. But is it right to say who they really are as being murderers?

you should probably seek mental help and read them this specific thread to cut to the chase instead of paying for 10 sessions

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Post by foldr »

Tarq0n wrote: post #713
ozgung wrote: post #543

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I think a mandatory first thing for any engineer is to learn, understand and commit for life to the Ethics of their profession. It's a shame all these very picky recruitment processes and 'culture' of these giant companies didn't care about ethics and morality. Relevant articles in IEEE Code of Ethics: 3. to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest whenever possible, and to disclose them to affected parties when…

Ethics are probably internalized long before someone commits to an engineering career. I'm not sure they can be taught later.

This is obviously true to a large extent, but it is also weirdly necessary to explain basic ethical precepts to a surprisingly large number of otherwise well-educated people. Believe it or not, a significant number of people simple don’t know that it’s unethical to, e.g. exfiltrate code or data from a former employer. Making it clear that this is an ethical line may have some value.

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Post by chongli »

small_model wrote: post #663
jurgenburgen wrote: post #606

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And gone to jail when it doesn’t pan out?

Not your problem they made the mistake, cant get blood from a stone, sue me etc etc.

The person had a 6 figure job. They’d end up having their salary garnished to pay the debt. It would be far worse than just giving the money back.
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