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Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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Is this the new “China can’t manufacture a ball point pen”? (Which I strongly suspect they can do at this point. :)

One interesting point is that China "can't" (more like "is significantly behind on") manufacture jet engines -- the blades are the sticking point, they are ridiculously engineered.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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You gotta optimize everything for the market man! It's magic! Everything will work out if we only make number go up! Who cares about silly stuff like health emergencies, the climate catastrophe or war. Number must go up!

Well, for the most part this is actually true. Taking care of the exceptions is the hard part. Also, "climate catastrophe" is not a thing.

>Also, "climate catastrophe" is not a thing.

It takes a deep ideological commitment to close ones eyes to the reality in front of us.

Our planet is literally dying.

The oceans are boiling [0], marine life is dying [1]. Land close to the water will be land under water soon [2]. The ice caps are melting and setting free all sorts of diseases. [3]

Large parts of our planet on fire all the time now, here's one from Australia from this year [4], but I'm sure you've read about wildfires in Australia last year, California every year, Greece last year etc etc.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/09/profound...

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-026-03013-5

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-025-02299-w

[3] https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/could-microbes-l...

[4] https://phys.org/news/2026-01-australia-declares-state-disas...

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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Shouldn't free market reward companies that go the other way and where people don't "fail upwards"? It is kind of demoralising to think otherwise, but it seems it is true. We see it everywhere. Bad companies making bad decisions keep surviving, and actually the vast majority of companies are like this. One implication is that MBAs in suits that make bad decisions are actually right and their decisions are not bad. Th…

I agree, a free market would work that way... Yet 'fail upwards' and zombie companies seem to be the default. Personally I don't believe that what we have in the west is a free market. I think these days, it's probably less free than the one in China. The market here is completely smothered by regulations. For example, about a month ago, I saw a video about people farming frogs in China... To collect secretions for m…

I like your moxie and I also agree Australia is an over-regulated racket... but I'm also glad my neighbours aren't mass farming frogs or cockroaches in my suburb without talking to the council first.

My brother had a neighbour build a crematorium next door in NZ; not an industrial or rural area, just the suburbs, no permits, no consultation, no notification. Very entrepreneurial. They got shut down but the flip side of "you can just do things" is surprises like a plume of smoke and the smell of burning corpses when you step outside.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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How are these types of awards usually structured? Are they just grants? If so, doesn't that create a perverse incentive to take the money even if you never intend to deliver the result?

You can see the two awards on govspending. [1][2]

Interestingly govspending says only $8.7 million of the $10 million award has been outlayed but I guess it's possible it just doesn't have the outlay info for the $123 million contract?

I think the contract type is a 'firm fixed-price definitive contract' but what happens when the contractor doesn't manage to create the production capability in the contract?

I found a FOIA request on muckrock[3] but it didn't seem to have anything related to the contract in terms of penalties.

[1][$123.1 million] https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA850521C0005_970...

https://www.highergov.com/contract/FA850521C0005/

https://g2xchange.com/app/awards/contracts/CONT_AWD_FA850521...

[2][$10 million] https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_75A50525C00001_75...

[3] https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/con...

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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Asking this question only a handful of years after a global pandemic... If the next pandemic is 50% deadly, not being able to make gloves is surely the canary in the coal mine proving we wouldn't be able to make any other PPE. And no country can rely on another if it's do or die. Other blocs will keep to themselves.

It's amazing how much those spreadsheet heads know nothing about how the actual world works

Doing basic math makes someone a "spreadsheet head"? If the "actual world" wanted American-made gloves then this cash injection from the government would've resulted in a boom in glove manufacturing here, no?

I always see catastrophizing and autarkist-coded takes like this which imply the US is a house of cards because we don't manufacture everything under the sun at all times. You have to realize that preparing for a doomsday scenario like 50% fatality rate pandemic has a cost that someone foots the bill for. Even in 2020 with a buffoon running the country, we still reacted very quickly and developed multiple vaccines to combat a novel virus (yes, the response was bungled in other ways but I digress)... people, markets, etc. are adaptable and we will figure it out.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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The article mentions access to NBR latex being an issue, but doesn’t explain that this is less commonly produced in America because they produces much more shale gas these days which doesn’t result in enough butadiene needed. So the most important supply chain to build the product is mostly coming out of Asian and European crackers. Giving an advantage to the Malaysian factories on top of the other lower costs of bus…

When politicians act, they look for political wins, not financial ones. If they get both, great, but they could care less about fiscal responsibility. The system’s purpose is what it does.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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Yes. Next question

Why is it so simple? Instead of investing billions, perhaps a stockpile is a better strategy.

That would be a good thing for you to research to build an understanding for the scale of what you are simplifying. Here's a start; just alone during a rather non-pandemic of 2020-2022 the USA alone used about 1.8 billion, with a B, gloves per week ... week.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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The article headline makes it seem like the factories couldn't make the gloves. But further down it says that the cost was double and factories couldn't get buyers. These are very different failure modes, and speak to very different solutions.

That might have been a bargain if you could have done it during peak Covid. Having the capability to make them is worth a lot in resilience.

Re: Why it's so difficult to produce American-made medical gloves

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The article headline makes it seem like the factories couldn't make the gloves. But further down it says that the cost was double and factories couldn't get buyers. These are very different failure modes, and speak to very different solutions.

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