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SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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When Starlink first became available here in poor-ish Central-EU, I was excited. Then, only months later, but after years of planning: EU funding brought fiber to my farm area, at ~$25/900mbps 10ms. While my story is just n=1, I don't understand the huge upside for Starlink outside of Africa or India, where they have However, I am dumb, and very open to be convinced.

This was always the sour economics of satellite internet. Satellite internet works for a low density of customers spread evenly across the globe. But customers are not spread evenly they mostly live in megalopolist regions that can be served more efficiently with land infrastructure. Worse most of the people not in the megalopolists have less money to spend on internet services. So your customer base are limited to p…

Space Bears have been saying this forever.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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You'll be sad to know there's another mf trying to put a mirror to reflect sunlight near twilight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflect_Orbital

I think this needs to be addressed with a crowd-funded projectile. This sort of stuff must be done on a planetary-scale consensus basis only.

What a terrible tyranny of the majority problem that would be. I reject this idea completely

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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I have started to see what I think are star link satellites at night on walks with my kids. It actually makes me sad to see that on person owns the night sky and is changing the literal stars my kids will grow up with. It feels different when it’s the government that theoretically represents people but when it’s one person that feels truly depressing.

You'll be sad to know there's another mf trying to put a mirror to reflect sunlight near twilight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflect_Orbital

> You'll be sad to know there's another mf trying to put a mirror to reflect sunlight near twilight

This has been approved:

* https://ca.pcmag.com/networking/16760/fcc-approves-reflect-o...

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48866452

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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I have started to see what I think are star link satellites at night on walks with my kids. It actually makes me sad to see that on person owns the night sky and is changing the literal stars my kids will grow up with. It feels different when it’s the government that theoretically represents people but when it’s one person that feels truly depressing.

Why didn't governments try making it? The US has tons of spy satellites, why not make some for the folks paying taxes? Why do we have to sell our firstborns (data) to Google for maps etc?

> Why didn't the government try...

As a broad generality, governments are utter crap at inventing/building/operating bleeding-edge technologies at giga-scale. Exceptions are generally narrow-focus military hardware, plus flood control, aqueducts, and other "obviously needed for the nation's welfare" stuff.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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It's not one person though. If zero people were using Starlink, then it would be that one person's vanity up there, but since it seems people do find it useful, those satellite lines represent humans being able to connect with modern technology out in the Sahara or in the ocean. For sailors to keep in touch with loved ones and to have a less dreary existence on long ocean voyages. And not to fret, China's managed to…

It is one person who controls it, at his discretion who gets to share in the utility. What your saying can also be true without such an ownership model, right?

No. We’ve tried that for decades now and it hasn’t worked out very well for getting the world connected. The entire rural earth has been neglected. Even in silicon valley my neighborhood only got fiber this year and its saddled with crappy TV bundle deals, bad mobile apps built with wrapped web pages, poor service, and we-will-sell-your-data anti privacy provisions. Starlink has none of that.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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I’m shocked by the number of people here thinking you won’t be able to see the night sky because of 100k satellites. Is this site getting dumber?

You can’t get nuanced, well thought out takes here on anything AI and Elon related unfortunately.

It’s frustrating because I often come to HN for the smart contrarian takes. But now I have to search really hard to find the opposite.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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It's an American company polluting the night sky for the entire world, for a service that will ultimately be access gated by the US government/private industry. That's where the negative sentiment is coming from. Who cares which of the many equally shitty US billionaires/oligarchs is funding it?

Do you feel the same way about Guowang and Qianfan, two very real very large constellations notably not funded by US billionaires?

This is a dumb question given that being funded by a US billionaire is what shapes their opinion.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome I wonder what spacex will be worth when launching satellites is impossible for a couple hundred years.

Stop trying to make Kessler syndrome a thing - it was never a thing, it isn’t a thing, it will never be a thing. It is just pearl clutching by those too afraid of modern life. Gravity wasn’t a documentary.

Hey! I think I saw you on Ars. Or maybe someone there copied and pasted this?

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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This is a very wasteful way of getting communications to somewhat compensate the lack of competition in US telco market.

The star link network is actually remarkably cost effective in getting internet access to rural areas. There's a reason that these areas still have poor connectivity: it's just not cost effective for anyone to build land based infrastructure there. SpaceX spend a few billions on StarLink. But if you look at how much network operators have spent over the years on cables, base stations, etc. it's not all that much for…

It occurred to me after reading the original story that if space based internet gets fast enough, we'll stop using any other kind for most purposes. That means, as a platform, SpaceX could carry a significant amount of the entire world's internet traffic. No wonder Elon is interested.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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This is a very wasteful way of getting communications to somewhat compensate the lack of competition in US telco market.

Eh, I think the economics of rural areas play a role as well, and this “wasteful” way is actually very well suited for serving that long tail.

But the long tail isn't served. The reality of your statement turns out to be that, if there aren't enough customers to justify an expensive tower or wire, no service will be provided at all.
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