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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

mhdi_kr99 wrote: post #562
sunnybeetroot wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Apple is a company built on anti trust violations[1]. Every company that sees it profitable to break the law and pay a fine seems to do it. There are no “good guys”. [1] https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-complianc...

steam/valve are good guys

Valve had to be dragged kicking and screaming by Australia just to provide the basic fundamental right of refunds.

Large corporations are not your friend. They are the enemy; they vary only in type and depth of diabolicalness.

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Post by krzyk »

joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

How did he keep laptop?

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Post by bel8 »

akamaka wrote: post #451
paxys wrote: post #336

Reminder that Apple hired 30+ engineers from Masimo and stole multiple trade secrets, including their blood-oxygen monitoring tech, leading to a $634 million judgement against them. They also asked President Biden to intervene and pressure the ITC to reverse their ruling. Not saying OpenAI is innocent here of course, but really no large corporation is. This is just how the game is played.

The $634 million judgement you’re referring to was only for Masimo’s patents, and the other claims they made about trade secret theft were dismissed.

> only for Masimo’s patents.

Sorry but there's no such thing as "only patents", these are often what companies live and die for.

The handwaving of Apple wrongdoings have no limits.

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Post by flexagoon »

Cider9986 wrote: post #301
willtemperley wrote: post #226

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I do hope Anthropic are better with IP, and I think they may be. Given Dario Amodei hasn't been sued by OpenAI while building Anthropic this seems likely. I think Amodei may actually be quite a good human, despite my trust in big tech being at an all-time low.

Hasn't his lab not released a single open weight model?

No no you just don't get it, they haven't released one because it's too dangerous and a you're not allowed to have access to it for your own good!

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Post by saalweachter »

romanovcode wrote: post #561
The_Blade wrote: post #250

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who knows, maybe he had giant gambling debts or other addiction(s) or bad real estate investments and/or lost half of it all to an ex-wife first. things that Jony might be readily aware of. assuming there is more than a kernel of truth to this - and i can't imagine not, the OpenAI comms guy who responded already scrubbed his X account - it doesn't surprise me that Tan was a criminal, it's that he was such a bad crimi…

Isn't scrubbing any of the data on a public platform that everyone sees AFTER you are being sued is not the smartest decision?

Eh, not a lawyer, but my experience with internet PR problems is that the Internet is pretty lazy with a short attention span.

Take something down and most of the Internet is too lazy to dig up an archive and they wander off to find something else to score internet points off of.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

wqaatwt wrote: post #526
matheusmoreira wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civil disobedience is the breaking of laws your conscience tells you are unjust -- and accepting all possible consequences that come along with such an act. Doesn't mean you have to make it trivial for the consequences to find you by literally walking yourself into jail.

Without the intention of personally profiting from breaking these laws. Which is what these people are doing. If they released this information publicly then you might have a point.

> Without the intention of personally profiting from breaking these laws.

> If they released this information publicly then you might have a point.

Good point. Conceded.

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Post by nvarsj »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #269
xnx wrote: post #38

A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

The same can be said about Apple. Several companies have complained about them taking a meeting with apple, presenting their product, only to have Apple then rip it off and build it in house. To say nothing of sherlocking.

As an old timer, I saw this firsthand happen with Motorola. Apple did the same shenanigans, stealing IP and engineers. I doubt the iPhone would have happened otherwise.

Jobs was absolutely ruthless and would do anything for his goals.

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Post by nvarsj »

The irony to me is Apple did the exact same thing to Motorola back in the day, which I saw firsthand as a Mot eng. Poached employees and IP. I doubt the iPhone would have happened otherwise.

Jobs was absolutely ruthless and would do anything for his goals.

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Post by baxtr »

html5cat wrote: post #197

Interesting how Tang Yew Tan worked at Apple for 25 years (!!) and then threw it all out for this.

Reminds me of the (infamous) eBay sellers back in the days who collected perfect ratings for a couple of years just to suddenly turn into scammers, pulling off what was known as a "long con" or "exit scam."
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