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I think I have LLM burnout

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by vinodc »

block_dagger wrote: post #25

I've started feeling slightly physically ill when I read Opus output for hours straight. This article rings very true for me. I've started complaining about it with my team; at least have a personal style guide in your agent rules that eliminates emdashes, the "it's not X, it's Y"s, the long lists of modifiers before the noun, using the word "land" to mean finish, etc. I hope this is just a phase of adolescent LLMs.

This has been my experience as well. It's incredibly grating to repeatedly read "genuinely load-bearing", "honestly?", etc. I've tried to get Opus to stop using these phrases via an entry in its memory, with mediocre results.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by vinodc »

helloplanets wrote: post #77
block_dagger wrote: post #25

I've started feeling slightly physically ill when I read Opus output for hours straight. This article rings very true for me. I've started complaining about it with my team; at least have a personal style guide in your agent rules that eliminates emdashes, the "it's not X, it's Y"s, the long lists of modifiers before the noun, using the word "land" to mean finish, etc. I hope this is just a phase of adolescent LLMs.

It's kind of offputting how much Anthropic models these days keep repeating "real", "genuine" and "honest". They've RL'd that way over the top.

"genuinely load-bearing" is the one that triggers me the most now.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by gitaarik »

lelanthran wrote: post #331
gitaarik wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But ultimately you got into this craft to solve a problem. That is how the craft developed. And when you build a very complex elaborate system, it can still have interesting technical challenges, even for a developer with AI. You should shift your technical insight to a higher abstraction level, where the AI cannot help anymore.

> . You should shift your technical insight to a higher abstraction level, where the AI cannot help anymore. As a programmer, you also had to work at that higher abstraction level anyway . It's a myth that you are "moving" up a level; you were always at that level, just not exclusively.

Yes you're right. It's that most programmers are so identified with the code, that now with AI they feel their whole identity is stolen, while indeed, being a developer is more than just coding, people!

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by infinite_spin »

Planktonne wrote: post #377
infinite_spin wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said I don't care about the coding itself, or the underlying quality of my systems. I can care about more than one thing, while still identifying goals that I have for how I spend my time.

You said "the coding is just a means to an end, try not to think too hard about the how". That's tantamount to "I don't care about the coding itself, or the underlying quality of my systems".

It's not tantamount to that outside of your imagination. I've spend 30 years coding, I'm well aware the the underlying quality of the systems I build. Please try not to impart upon me these beliefs I do not hold. I stand by my initial statement, which in no way should be regarded as "I don't care about the coding itself". That's just your way of disregarding information you don't like to hear. It's an odious habit from people that disregard clarification in favor of their own preconceived views.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by xboxnolifes »

cognitiveinline wrote: post #370
Terr_ wrote: post #7

It sounds kind of like being stuck working with coworkers who--while not overtly hostile--need constant hand-holding and repeat the same kinds of mistakes every day and can't even be genuinely sorry about it. Just because we work with computers doesn't mean we don't take, er, social-damage. Or perhaps para social damage, in this case.

These agents follow instructions to never make a specific mistake, if you simply record it on context (like AGENTs.md). You'll frustrate yourself by not using this tool without above. You'll definintely frustrate yourself expecting the tool to be "genuinely sorry"!

Hahahahaha

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by Planktonne »

infinite_spin wrote: post #384
Planktonne wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said "the coding is just a means to an end, try not to think too hard about the how". That's tantamount to "I don't care about the coding itself, or the underlying quality of my systems".

It's not tantamount to that outside of your imagination. I've spend 30 years coding, I'm well aware the the underlying quality of the systems I build. Please try not to impart upon me these beliefs I do not hold. I stand by my initial statement, which in no way should be regarded as "I don't care about the coding itself". That's just your way of disregarding information you don't like to hear. It's an odious habit fr…

It's tantamount using the accepted definitions of the words in the language we're speaking.

Your comment is incredibly aggressive, hostile, and rude, of out nowhere. You should review the guidelines [1]. It's deeply disingenuous to either communicate really poorly or to backtrack from your position unannounced and then get aggressive about it when people engage with you.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by infinite_spin »

Planktonne wrote: post #386
infinite_spin wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not tantamount to that outside of your imagination. I've spend 30 years coding, I'm well aware the the underlying quality of the systems I build. Please try not to impart upon me these beliefs I do not hold. I stand by my initial statement, which in no way should be regarded as "I don't care about the coding itself". That's just your way of disregarding information you don't like to hear. It's an odious habit fr…

It's tantamount using the accepted definitions of the words in the language we're speaking. Your comment is incredibly aggressive, hostile, and rude, of out nowhere. You should review the guidelines [1]. It's deeply disingenuous to either communicate really poorly or to backtrack from your position unannounced and then get aggressive about it when people engage with you. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguideline…

> That's tantamount to "I don't care about the coding itself, or the underlying quality of my systems".

This is "incredibly aggressive, hostile, and rude, of out nowhere". Please leave me alone, I have nothing else to say to people like you.

For anyone else, imagine a winemaker that cares about their end product more than they care about growing grapes.. does that mean this winemaker doesn't care about the quality of their grapes? Probably not, but apparently to this individual the english language requires that we believe the winemaker to be disingenuous if they clarify their position on grape quality.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by [deleted] »

Planktonne wrote: post #386
infinite_spin wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not tantamount to that outside of your imagination. I've spend 30 years coding, I'm well aware the the underlying quality of the systems I build. Please try not to impart upon me these beliefs I do not hold. I stand by my initial statement, which in no way should be regarded as "I don't care about the coding itself". That's just your way of disregarding information you don't like to hear. It's an odious habit fr…

It's tantamount using the accepted definitions of the words in the language we're speaking. Your comment is incredibly aggressive, hostile, and rude, of out nowhere. You should review the guidelines [1]. It's deeply disingenuous to either communicate really poorly or to backtrack from your position unannounced and then get aggressive about it when people engage with you. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguideline…

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by infinite_spin »

Insanity wrote: post #312
16bitvoid wrote: post #92

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We get it, you don't have a passion for the act or the craft, just the end result, but I'm absolutely sick of hearing it all over this site as if it's a universal truth that some of us just don't recognize yet. Sorry, some of us have a joy for programming where the how is just as important, if not more so, than the what and the why. No matter how much people proclaim that the how doesn't matter to them , it isn't goi…

+1. I’m in the exact opposite camp, I enjoy programming more than “shipping a product”. But the programming itself, coming up with solutions to tough problems, is the fun part. Shipping a product is a side-effect.

Training a lion to jump through a hoop might be fun, but it is probably more rewarding when the lion jumps through a hoop in front of an audience.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by senectus1 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #104
dpc_01234 wrote: post #13

I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

> done by my clankers or clankers of other people I'm getting so many requests to review LLM-generated documents - planning docs, docs intended for end-users, project docs, business plan docs. A team member sent me a zip file with about 30 LLM generated documents in it the other day and asked if I could review them right away. And a lot of it was just repetition and/or stuff that was just out of left field, made-up,…

I find myself telling co-workers that if they couldn't be bothered writeing the email/document, why should i have to be bothered reading the document/email.

this is just spam, people sending unsolcited data at you and expecting you to swoollow and process that data.

its just rude and unreasonable, not to mention an unconscious (hopefully) act of sabotage.

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