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EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by alightsoul »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #171
Noaidi wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get it? No one is on those sites because they are not addictive. It is like trying top tell an alcoholic to just drink mocktails.

Alcoholic drinking mocktails can experience significant withdrawal symptoms like fever or seizures with potentially fatal results. What do you think will happen to all those "addicted" people after they uninstall TikTok from their phones?

I did. I went crazy and even injured my hand with a deep cut because I have ADHD too. Recommend wearing thick gloves for a week or maybe three weeks to pŕevent injury, do not take them off if you wash dishes by hand wear another glove or several so that you don't cut yourself and to keep your hands dry. Then i realized i was very depressed and didn't want to face my problems like child abandonment

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by alightsoul »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #169
eleventen wrote: post #83

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This is a wild take. Most serious media companies would collapse without online ad revenue. Google would be dead, along with all the products that sorta run the world like maps. But even local publications, like your independent city news site, which you presumably think is good, also die instantly. The ladder is also pulled up behind any kind of independent quality content producers. You cant run a successful channe…

They wouldnt be dead, everbody would use subscription and they could easily afford them because stuff would be cheaper. The biggest misconception that average people can’t get their head around is that all ads are being paid for by themselves - the consumer. Meta and Google offer nothing for free to you, you are paying for their services everytime you buy a Coke, a car, or a Levis pant, or … anything.

what assures you they would be cheaper? they have already proven people can pay a higher price so why not charge more? this won't be enforced worldwide people would just switch platforms to one that isn't in a jurisdiction where ads are banned

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by fragmede »

Arainach wrote: post #134
tancop wrote: post #105

this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias. things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should h…

> ban any kind of political bias. This sentence has no meaning in a modern context. The US government has declared bike lanes to be "DEI". Everything is political. "Choice" doesn't work. Everyone is under information and attention span overload. There isn't time to research what goes into the food you eat much less everything else going on in your life.

> The US government has declared bike lanes to be "DEI"

That's something I didn't need to learn today!

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by emayljames »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #171
Noaidi wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get it? No one is on those sites because they are not addictive. It is like trying top tell an alcoholic to just drink mocktails.

Alcoholic drinking mocktails can experience significant withdrawal symptoms like fever or seizures with potentially fatal results. What do you think will happen to all those "addicted" people after they uninstall TikTok from their phones?

That is the point they are making.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by emayljames »

psychoslave wrote: post #125
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #12

Forcing social media apps to have a less addictive design is a much better way to protect young people's brains than a social media age limit is (and frankly adults need help here too).

What about calling these stuffs something like "junk media"? Using the words of the offenders to depict the landscape is giving a major concession in this battle for critical thinking.

I prefer Anti-social Media

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by littlecranky67 »

alightsoul wrote: post #182
littlecranky67 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wouldnt be dead, everbody would use subscription and they could easily afford them because stuff would be cheaper. The biggest misconception that average people can’t get their head around is that all ads are being paid for by themselves - the consumer. Meta and Google offer nothing for free to you, you are paying for their services everytime you buy a Coke, a car, or a Levis pant, or … anything.

what assures you they would be cheaper? they have already proven people can pay a higher price so why not charge more? this won't be enforced worldwide people would just switch platforms to one that isn't in a jurisdiction where ads are banned

because contrary to many peoples believe system, prices actually work to modulate demand. The whole idea that you can increase prices without losing customers is nonsense.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by danaris »

inigyou wrote: post #98
testing22321 wrote: post #24

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Forcing alcoholic drinks to have a less addictive product is a much better way to protect young people’s brains than an alcohol age limit is (and frankly adults need help there too).

Young people are drinking much less alcohol now. Some people call it a crisis. It's probably related to the reason they date less and have less sex and do less of all the other things you're not supposed to do but people did anyway, and that reason probably has something to do with social media taking their attention instead.

...Or, y'know...It could, just possibly...have something to do with the fact that no one has the money to engage in all of those things, especially young people.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

emayljames wrote: post #184
lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcoholic drinking mocktails can experience significant withdrawal symptoms like fever or seizures with potentially fatal results. What do you think will happen to all those "addicted" people after they uninstall TikTok from their phones?

That is the point they are making.

What point? That people experience fatal withdrawal symptoms when they stop "consuming" social media? I find that very hard to believe. Do you have any research proving such claims?

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

alightsoul wrote: post #181
lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcoholic drinking mocktails can experience significant withdrawal symptoms like fever or seizures with potentially fatal results. What do you think will happen to all those "addicted" people after they uninstall TikTok from their phones?

I did. I went crazy and even injured my hand with a deep cut because I have ADHD too. Recommend wearing thick gloves for a week or maybe three weeks to pŕevent injury, do not take them off if you wash dishes by hand wear another glove or several so that you don't cut yourself and to keep your hands dry. Then i realized i was very depressed and didn't want to face my problems like child abandonment

> I did.

Text following this first sentence of your message doesn't indicate any kind of physical withdrawal symptoms though.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by somenameforme »

nathias wrote: post #41
somenameforme wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media, even before the era of dark patterns and 'engagement' maximization was still extremely addictive. It just had a less pronounced effect in large part because fewer people were using it. For instance there was a time when Facebook was university only and invite only. And this is all for people that are of the 'legal age' so to speak using it. For kids, who are going to be even more insecure, have more ong…

it isn't about avoiding all harm as sociallity itself is harmful, it's about software not hijacking/exploiting our cognition especially in times when this would mess with our development

Socializing isn't harmful. Socializing in a way that naturally trends towards mob mentality, where everything is potentially permanently recorded, and where artificial representations of people are the norm - that's all harmful, and it's inescapable in social media.
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