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How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by rgbrenner »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #127
arjie wrote: post #3

> We saw in a movie how motorcycles can jump over bridges. We used AI to learn how to do this. We gave it information, like what motorcycles we use and the distance we need to jump and so on and it gave us steps on what we have to do. We practiced a lot and kept asking questions. We dug holes and filled them with broken glass and fire to practice. 18 of us died in the process. Eight of us managed to do it. The next t…

If anything the leadership gave BS answers to the journalist for the exact reaction HN is portraying right now. "They're so dumb AI is harmless" is a danerous take when the people in charge are often times more educated than an average westener. They also are decent at propoganda (you have certainly consumed pumped or direct propoganda from terrorist orgs). Their leaders are often university grads from the west. It i…

"Their leaders are often university grads from the west."

This is a generalization.. and you're right that there are terrorist groups run by people educated in the west... but this isn't true for Boko Haram. Barkura Doro has no formal education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakura_Doro

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by throwaway27448 »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #164
hoppp wrote: post #158

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Anthropic/OpenAI should have full control over who accesses their service since it's basically an API they provide. Chinese models are great, nobody says otherwise but many of the publicly available ones are distilled and not trained from scratch. Adding KYC would crack down on distilling because they use thousands of burner accounts to do it and now those accounts would need a face to verify.

If you think any model coming out of china is not containing as much stolen data as humanly possible from the actual innovators u crazy. Using a chinese model is like watching pirated films. If you actually support the people who make the thing you love then you don't do that. We then get hit with chinese sponsored propoganda of "the big labs stole artist images to begin with so they can't complain" and act like LLMs…

Is there a commercial model out there now that wasn't trained on stolen data? Let's stop refering to these ghouls as "innovators": they're glorified bootleggers

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by gwerbin »

true_religion wrote: post #151
Legend2440 wrote: post #59

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Honestly this sounds so outlandish that it makes me skeptical of the whole thing. They didn't stop after the first guy died? Or the tenth? Guy #11 just looked at the pile of corpses and was like, hell yeah I'm gonna try next? And where's the video? Terrorist groups love propaganda footage, if they were doing motorcycle stunts like Evel Knievel they'd be bragging about it everywhere.

Bokom Haram regularly kidnaps children. The girls become “wives”. The boys become the next generation of soldier.

Wasn't it established that ISIS soldiers go into battle hopped up on amphetamines and other drugs? I don't believe the story as stated either, but I fully believe that members of an extremist terrorist military organization would be willing to do extreme things in service of what they believe is a noble and justified cause, even if that includes dying during training. American soldiers that die in helicopter crashes are still honored as heroes who gave their lives in service of their country, and few question that, meanwhile people still enlist in the US Armed Forces. If some Boko Haram commander gets an obsession with some kind of crazy motorcycle attack and a guy dies in a motorcycle crash, do you think everyone else is going to punk out? Or are they going to honor him as having sacrificed his life so the other soldiers can carry out the attack?

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by gwerbin »

gambiting wrote: post #39
user_7832 wrote: post #24

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But on a much more serious note, the violating/breaking of the guardrails when making bombs is terrible. I'd have called it unforgivable, but LLMs are a tough beast to tame in the best of situations... and I'm not really sure if chatgpt ever deserved to be forgived. It's also ironic that Fable hits guardrails for nothing, and a literal terrorist group is making bombs and merrily skipping over guardrails.

I feel like I'm missing something though. You can open LM Studio right now and download any model with "heretic" or "uncensored" in the name and it will happily do anything you want with no restrictions whatsoever. What's the point of trying to jailbreak ChatGPT? Is it that much better if all you want is just some instructions to make bombs or whatever? (admittedly - I have no idea if these instructions are actually…

A bunch of outlaw militiamen living in some camp somewhere probably don't have access to a capable computer, but they can probably log onto chatgpt.com easily enough.

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by aaron695 »

Legend2440 wrote: post #59
arjie wrote: post #3

> We saw in a movie how motorcycles can jump over bridges. We used AI to learn how to do this. We gave it information, like what motorcycles we use and the distance we need to jump and so on and it gave us steps on what we have to do. We practiced a lot and kept asking questions. We dug holes and filled them with broken glass and fire to practice. 18 of us died in the process. Eight of us managed to do it. The next t…

Honestly this sounds so outlandish that it makes me skeptical of the whole thing. They didn't stop after the first guy died? Or the tenth? Guy #11 just looked at the pile of corpses and was like, hell yeah I'm gonna try next? And where's the video? Terrorist groups love propaganda footage, if they were doing motorcycle stunts like Evel Knievel they'd be bragging about it everywhere.

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Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #130
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #56

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> This will sound like a hot take, but consider that terrorists are for the most part, stupid idiots. What even is a terrorist? If your definition of terrorist is "person on the news involved in some FBI entrapment scheme", then yeah they're probably not that bright. But more generally, terrorists are probably pretty hard to define (one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter, etc), and I would imagine i…

Mild terrorist sympathy right here. Just look up mass casualty events across the middle east it's very obvious what a terrorist is.

Are you saying my comment was terrorist sympathy?

I'm not admiring or excusing anyone. I'm saying you probably find a whole range of IQs among them. Because why wouldn't you? Whose to say if the userbase of this site grew up in the wrong conditions, a portion wouldn't be terrorists too?

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Post by jurgenburgen »

Ancapistani wrote: post #134
IsTom wrote: post #80

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You start with .22 and build up resistance from there.

I'd suggest starting with a 2mm Kolibri, if you can find one.

Maybe add some lead supplements to your diet first to build up tolerance.

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

ValentineC wrote: post #169
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #148

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As the largest AI scappers on the planet.. sure They don't have nearly enough compute to be competitive on pretraining and distillation is exponentially cheaper. It's literally the same tactic they do in every industry. Steal top IP, gov funding, ban the company they stole from domestically while driving cost to zero, try to kill the original IP creators. They are actively in the process of doing this with Tesla as w…

> They are actively in the process of doing this with Tesla as we speak. And are in the phase of pushing them out domestically and trying to destroy tesla marketshare globally. What did China do to Tesla? Aren't the EV firms there more innovative and successful because of the China domestic push towards EV and government incentives around the world?

Steal their IP and now trying to destroy them domestic and abroad

Re: How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses frontier AI

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Post by [deleted] »

BeetleB wrote: post #88
solid_fuel wrote: post #53

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> We dug holes and filled them with broken glass and fire to practice. 18 of us died in the process. Is it providing material aid to terrorists to point out that maybe a hole filled with water would have been a better practice environment?

I assume you're asking in jest, but having experience in the matter: Any information you give to someone/group, where you know or have good reason to believe it will be used for terrorism purposes (including training), does put you liable for providing material aid to terrorists.

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