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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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I don’t put my company’s IP on their servers, because I don’t trust them to not steal it.

I do hope Anthropic are better with IP, and I think they may be. Given Dario Amodei hasn't been sued by OpenAI while building Anthropic this seems likely. I think Amodei may actually be quite a good human, despite my trust in big tech being at an all-time low.

Hasn't his lab not released a single open weight model?

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That is a true statement. Here is another one: Some people like to talk about “some people” snidely, instead of just coming out and saying “GP is bloodthirsty and gets a little thrill [etc].” Because of course, that’s what they mean , but they can’t back it up . Just to clarify, I’m talking about you.

Would you like me too? I thought it unnecessary and needlessly rude to single anyone out: There are many examples of HN regulars behaving this way, and in my impression it has considerably increased over the last six years. I'm sure I could find a post or two of my own that is guilty of it-- it's increasingly the culture here, as unfortunate as it is and it's something we should all watch out for to avoid it in ourselves and to discount it in others.

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Many devices are indeed locked down. But given that it's an OS company and hardware vendor, many employees have access to hardware with e.g. SoC fusing that allows them to install custom-signed firmware. It's very difficult to make an OS lock out the people whose job it is to build the platform that OS depends on.

I once worked at a cybersecurity firm and they had a particularly botched rollout of MDM to Macs (which would regularly put the machine into an undesirable mode of 100% CPU usage plus max out upload bandwidth repeatedly trying and failing to backup the machine to some online backup service). I had work to do, so I simply disabled the MDM profile for the machine, installed an OS to my liking, and restored the apps I w…

> then suggested I did get hired for my cybersecurity expertise, that I do take my obligations seriously, and he could just ask me to do whatever they were planning to do from the MDM console, and it would get done. He insisted that wouldn't be necessary since in his worldview the MDM was unbreakable and he just needed to reconnect to Wi-Fi or something.

> Very amusing worldview.

It’s ironic that you’re displaying the exact behavior pointed out by the GP:

> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you.

MDM is implemented to protect company assets regardless of the actions of the users. It would not be due diligence on the part of the director to trust you to wipe your own device.

It’s not clear to me what the point of your comment is other than illustrating that you’re smarter than your director.

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Hot take, but Apple has done the same and worse to many other companies when they could. Of course Apple can sue and they will probably settle some amount with OpenAI, but acting like this is not commonplace in today’s business environment, and OpenAI is uniquely worse at stealing corporate secrets is laughable. Especially considering Apple’s famous history!

> Apple has done the same and worse to many other companies when they could The closest involved Apple selling Xerox pre-IPO shares [1]. And there are zero allegations any PARC employees who moved to Apple with confidential information the this has gone down. > acting like this is not commonplace in today’s business environment It's not. It's why it gets litigated and criminally charged. I won't disagree that there i…

Didn't apple get banned from selling apple watch because they pretended to want to buy IP and basically just poached and gutted the company instead?

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Quick reminder that Apple was part of the silicon valley crew that partook of illegal non-poaching arrangements with other SV companies, helping to stifle salaries and more.

But, that's a bit of a tangent. On the other hand, Apple is accused of (and a jury ruled against them on the issue) hiring from Masimo to steal trade secret. Appeals are pending, of course, but it's a reminder that Apple is not lily white on this topic.

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In my early career, I used my work computer (off hours) to do personal work. I never made any money, but it was still wrong. At some point, I couldn’t live with myself, and purchased my own computer (better than what work gave me, anyway). I never used my personal cell for work. The closest thing was coordinating meetups, when traveling.

If you are worried about the ethics of using a company laptop to do personal work, you might be taking it a bit far, what damage does this do to the company? If you are worried about the company claiming rights over your personal work, then it is prudent.

I think that the new version of this is using your work's LLM account (potentially more powerful) to do personal work

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"Whenever I leave a company I make sure..." But its also that companies responsibility to ensure that the employer doesn't take anything. Apple know how to use MDM on Apple laptops, why wasn't the device locked and located.

Um, no. Why would it be their responsibility? There are laws regarding IP theft. If you willingly break them you can't just say "well your security wasn't good enough".

If you leave your house unlocked and someone steals your stuff AND is never caught, you're SOL.

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OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

OpenAI also has infinite money, and the graph for money/lawyering gets clamped well below what OpenAI can afford. It's going to end most other corporate courtroom tangles: with an undisclosed settlement and a well-publicized partnership.

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