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GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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There have been multiple posts on here with 800+ upvotes in just the last few weeks for GLM 5.2. The idea that all this enthusiasm is for certain Silicon Valley billionaires and not from genuine interest in AI technology is a baffling take.

Im using silicon valley collequially to represent "tech", not as a google maps pin.

So what billionaire are people rooting for when a new GLM comes out?

How many people do you honestly think even know who owns or leads Z.ai?

I certainly don’t.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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No one here actually cares about Cycle Double Cover Conjecture. I can demonstrate this by pointing out that the only time this conjecture was ever mentioned on the website was 14 years ago in a submission[1] that linked to a (now retracted) proof paper. That story received exactly zero upvotes. No one cared enough to upvote it and no one cared enough to ever mention this conjecture again. [1] https://news.ycombinator…

Almost sounds like they pointed a prompt at every boondocks conjecture and wrote a press release for the one it plausibly solved.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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No one here actually cares about Cycle Double Cover Conjecture. I can demonstrate this by pointing out that the only time this conjecture was ever mentioned on the website was 14 years ago in a submission[1] that linked to a (now retracted) proof paper. That story received exactly zero upvotes. No one cared enough to upvote it and no one cared enough to ever mention this conjecture again. [1] https://news.ycombinator…

Thanks for the fun facts? Indeed, this is not a math forum. Good morning. > I can demonstrate this [that literally nobody cares about the CDCC here] No, you cannot. Mindreading the readers of this site by sifting through people's comments is a barely passable proxy for this at best, especially when that audience has changed dramatically over even just those 14 years, and continues to do so.

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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Unrelated to the accomplishment or proof itself, but it's interesting how much of the prompt, even in this latest-and-greatest model, is spent essentially telling the model to actually solve the problem. Things like "Reject status reports, vague optimism, and claims that an unproved global compatibility statement is 'routine'." Also a lot prompt spent feeding it strategies, which feel like they should/will eventually…

I thought that too. The prompt is full of metaheuristics. I remember a couple of years back when people were saying how prompt engineering was a skill, and reading this prompt kinda took me back to that. Were I to guess, the reason the model couldn't do this itself is because most of the time, for most problems, a lot of this is bad advice. In search optimisation you're often trading between time and quality. A very…

Same. I remember something like using AI to optimize your prompt to that specific model helps a lot. I am currently trying it and can sort of see a difference (I think....).

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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>Is this something humans have been unable to do? It's a famous open problem so yeah >There’s only so many people with the necessary skills to solve this. And you need these humans to choose to spend their time solving this, and not something else. Sure, but that doesn't mean a lot of very skilled people hadn't attempted and failed to solve this.

And you’ve known about this problem for how many minutes?

Long enough to know this has been on the Wikipedia page of open math problems for several years.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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Unlike the unit distance problem, the impressive thing here is that it is a proof rather than a counter-example. However, it seems the proof is extremely concise so it seems that it is exploiting a clever trick that somehow all the experts missed. So not to dunk on this amazing result (or move the goal post), but it seems now the only achievement that AI hasn't managed in mathematics is presenting an autonomous "theo…

> seems that it is exploiting a clever trick that somehow all the experts missed. Exactly, "clever". Isn't that the whole point?

A clever trick is way better than a stupid trick yeah. I don't get complaining about a concise elegant solution either unless a specific problem with the actual proof was brought up.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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It seems like a solid set of criteria for how easily a task can be automated by AI agents is: - extent to which correctness of solution be easily specified and checked - extent to which new potential solutions can be implemented as text - extent to which prior art exists online This basically maps to software engineering and math. I think a fair bit of AI hype comes from the fact that the very architects of AI are th…

per dwarkesh its also 'grindablity' in training .

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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It seems like a solid set of criteria for how easily a task can be automated by AI agents is: - extent to which correctness of solution be easily specified and checked - extent to which new potential solutions can be implemented as text - extent to which prior art exists online This basically maps to software engineering and math. I think a fair bit of AI hype comes from the fact that the very architects of AI are th…

Let's assume AI is only good at software and math. If we can use AI to write lots of good software for cheap, that software can automate away a lot of jobs. So AI does not have to take the jobs directly, software written by AI can. Especially if that works for software for robots.

why the middle man when it can generate software on the fly

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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No one here actually cares about Cycle Double Cover Conjecture. I can demonstrate this by pointing out that the only time this conjecture was ever mentioned on the website was 14 years ago in a submission[1] that linked to a (now retracted) proof paper. That story received exactly zero upvotes. No one cared enough to upvote it and no one cared enough to ever mention this conjecture again. [1] https://news.ycombinator…

What does that have to do with the feat itself?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra produces proof of the Cycle Double Cover Conjecture [pdf]

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Why would you bet against it being solved by LLMs? Isn't this very post proof that LLMs in an agentic harness are capable of doing real math? If you just keep cranking away at the tokens I don't see a principled argument against that leading to more solutions to unsolved math, even the hardest problems.

There are different classes of mathematical problems. The one in the post definitely shows the advantages that LLMs have compared to humans for some problems but it's in an entirely different class than the Riemann Hypothesis. Riemann is one of the most studied math problems of all times and all of humanity has basically collectively failed to make progress. The idea that there's some technique that just hasn't been…

“ I suspect inventing new branches of math will remain beyond LLMs for the remainder of my life”

Well every branch of mathematics thus far has been invented by a human or a human using a computer, and humans will use this type of computer to solve math problems (or at least try), so I’d say this is a really poor probabilistic bet.

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