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Post by ekelsen »

trollbridge wrote: post #114
ekelsen wrote: post #107

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How is this different from farming? It takes the limited resources of land and water from a community and sells the result for profit as food or fuel. The vast majority of profit is made downstream and outside the community. Golf courses being a traditional green place where people gather seems a bit far fetched to me when most of them are elite private clubs.

Most golf courses around me are open and anyone can go play for a cheap greens fee. The clubhouse has normal low end restaurant prices for a hot dog or a burger.

If the clubhouse is your idea of the valuable public good we can provide without 18 holes of grass.

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Post by trollbridge »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #74
WarmWash wrote: post #69

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There are 22 golf courses within a 30 minute drive from me, and people here a losing their minds over datacenter water usage...

People can care about more than one thing Personally I would happily close down all golf courses and put them to better use as literally anything else. Even just making them public parks would be great

I attended an auction of a golf course a few years ago. It went for a few thousand an acre. You could have shown up and bid on it.

The winner ended up just choosing to keep the current employees and keep operating it. Nobody, I mean nobody, wanted the land for development. It was in an era with basically no zoning either.

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dmix wrote: post #90
coffeefirst wrote: post #88

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These campaigns have historically amplified conflict. They do not care what the conflict is about. But unlike some of the others, I’m hearing anti-AI sentiment from a wide range of people who don’t even use social media.

All news is influenced by what’s popular social media these days. And that becomes part of what people talk about through the grapevine. But no doubt there’s plenty of organic NIMBYism, anti tech growth stuff, and run of the mill fear of change and loss of control as society grows more abstract/centralized.

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Post by shermantanktop »

ekelsen wrote: post #107
swatcoder wrote: post #83

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People have a dozen reasons to refuse data centers being built in their communities and zero reasons to encourage it. They're little more than post-industrial mines that take limited resources (power, land, water, quiet) from a community, sell them for profit as compute, and siphon those profits away onto the books of far-flung megacorps with no community reward. Meanwhile, golf courses are a traditional green space…

How is this different from farming? It takes the limited resources of land and water from a community and sells the result for profit as food or fuel. The vast majority of profit is made downstream and outside the community. Golf courses being a traditional green place where people gather seems a bit far fetched to me when most of them are elite private clubs.

I associate golf with WASP-y business types who hobnob with their boss in an electric cart to get ahead, and can't stop talking about their hobby of chasing a little white ball.

Is that fair? Probably not. But I don't think golf is a particularly inclusive sport, unless you live in a golf course gated community... in which case everyone is included.

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Post by Enginerrrd »

kennywinker wrote: post #23

It seems to me we’re already at the top of the S curve, not at the toe of an exponential curve. At least with LLMs. Better training data will make small improvements, better architecture will make it less compute intensive, and all these “hyper-scale” data centers will make it cheap and ubiquitous. But none of that is it getting exponentially more intelligent.

I completely agree, but I also think that an industry disrupting architecture tweak akin to the “Attention is all you need” is VERY possible to emerge at any moment.

It feels like the cognitive gaps on current LLMs are indeed structural, but also that if we solve that structural issue with a new or extended transformer type of architecture, we’ll be looking at a whole new ballgame.

I mean, basically we’re just looking at needing some type of new post training learning architecture. It’s very clear that extending context windows isn’t that. What’s needed is an honest to god, continuous learning and modification process.

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Post by computably »

joshstrange wrote: post #6

I'm sure some people will have issue with my phrasing but, honest question: Are there examples of where we have collective decided not to pursue knowledge? Successfully? I guess nuclear weapons might be the best example though research doesn't seem have to actually "stopped" as much as gone underground and we still have country trying to climb that ladder. But I don't know how relevant that is to LLMs/AI. It almost f…

> Are there examples of where we have collective decided not to pursue knowledge? Successfully?

Intrinsically, the knowledge humans choose not to pursue will not be much publicized. There's limited value in calling attention to it and it doesn't make for good entertainment. Plenty of examples provided by other comments nonetheless.

> Perhaps I'm horribly naive, perhaps I just see the SciFi future I've spent my life reading and dreaming about on the horizon and I'm blinded by the reality, perhaps my ideals around "knowledge deserves to be free/accessible" are misguided. I don't know.

I don't personally think there's intrinsic benefit in disseminating arbitrary knowledge. There's quite some difference between the printing press and nukes.

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Post by [deleted] »

mrdomino- wrote: post #110
ekelsen wrote: post #107

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How is this different from farming? It takes the limited resources of land and water from a community and sells the result for profit as food or fuel. The vast majority of profit is made downstream and outside the community. Golf courses being a traditional green place where people gather seems a bit far fetched to me when most of them are elite private clubs.

In farming, the result is food that can be eaten.

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Post by munificent »

coffeefirst wrote: post #88
dmix wrote: post #67

NYT reported today that Russia and China are funding anti-datacenter and anti-ai hysteria on western social media. Always easier to boost something already existing on social media than manufacture it themselves, then wildly blow it out of proportion to make it seem urgent and important.

These campaigns have historically amplified conflict. They do not care what the conflict is about. But unlike some of the others, I’m hearing anti-AI sentiment from a wide range of people who don’t even use social media.

Everyone lives in a world deeply affected by social media. Even if you've never looked at a screen your entire life, you have spent thousands of hours talking to and being informed by people who did.

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Post by sometimelurker »

dmix wrote: post #67

NYT reported today that Russia and China are funding anti-datacenter and anti-ai hysteria on western social media. Always easier to boost something already existing on social media than manufacture it themselves, then wildly blow it out of proportion to make it seem urgent and important.

source needed. I'm not saying ur wrong, but source needed
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