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Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by cyberax »

simonreiff wrote: post #106

> Why exactly will AI never be able to do my job? Because AI cannot retain memories or gain experience or insight based on the transformer/attention mechanism powering all modern AI models, it follows that AI lacks judgment and can never be trusted to handle truly critical decision-making responsibilities. Furthermore, AI agents lack any notion of an identity, so certainly are not capable of attaining legal personhoo…

> Because AI cannot retain memories or gain experience or insight based on the transformer/attention mechanism powering all modern AI models, it follows that AI lacks judgment and can never be trusted to handle truly critical decision-making responsibilities.

There are multiple teams working on adding long-term memory to AI. This is not a fundamental problem.

Fine-tuning to store memory in the weights is something that almost works right now, btw.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by marcosdumay »

swatcoder wrote: post #103
marcosdumay wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When mines pay a sizeable share of their profits as local taxes, and obey environmental regulations, people suddenly start to like them.

Can you point to some examples of where that's happening? These data centers are specifically being scouted for communities whose governance is too weak to negotiate for some "sizeable share of their profits" and too ill-prepared to have suitable environmental regulations on the books already. The Ivy League sharks planning these buildout initiatives are sharp people who are looking out for the interests of their emp…

> Can you point to some examples of where that's happening?

You mean the AI datacenters doing it? No, they are not doing it.

They seem to be doing the opposite. They being loud is really hard to accept, decorrelating the fans cooling them would probably pay for itself in less than an year. It's like it's some Capitan Planet villain building those things.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by trollbridge »

dmix wrote: post #67

NYT reported today that Russia and China are funding anti-datacenter and anti-ai hysteria on western social media. Always easier to boost something already existing on social media than manufacture it themselves, then wildly blow it out of proportion to make it seem urgent and important.

Russia and China aren’t the ones constantly telling us AI will put us all out of a job, here’s why that’s a good thing, and why the government should dedicate billions of dollars to incumbent AI providers.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by trollbridge »

ekelsen wrote: post #107
swatcoder wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have a dozen reasons to refuse data centers being built in their communities and zero reasons to encourage it. They're little more than post-industrial mines that take limited resources (power, land, water, quiet) from a community, sell them for profit as compute, and siphon those profits away onto the books of far-flung megacorps with no community reward. Meanwhile, golf courses are a traditional green space…

How is this different from farming? It takes the limited resources of land and water from a community and sells the result for profit as food or fuel. The vast majority of profit is made downstream and outside the community. Golf courses being a traditional green place where people gather seems a bit far fetched to me when most of them are elite private clubs.

Most golf courses around me are open and anyone can go play for a cheap greens fee. The clubhouse has normal low end restaurant prices for a hot dog or a burger.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by swatcoder »

marcosdumay wrote: post #112
swatcoder wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to some examples of where that's happening? These data centers are specifically being scouted for communities whose governance is too weak to negotiate for some "sizeable share of their profits" and too ill-prepared to have suitable environmental regulations on the books already. The Ivy League sharks planning these buildout initiatives are sharp people who are looking out for the interests of their emp…

> Can you point to some examples of where that's happening? You mean the AI datacenters doing it? No, they are not doing it. They seem to be doing the opposite. They being loud is really hard to accept, decorrelating the fans cooling them would probably pay for itself in less than an year. It's like it's some Capitan Planet villain building those things.

Got it. I misunderstood you. Agreed.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by erichocean »

joshstrange wrote: post #6

I'm sure some people will have issue with my phrasing but, honest question: Are there examples of where we have collective decided not to pursue knowledge? Successfully? I guess nuclear weapons might be the best example though research doesn't seem have to actually "stopped" as much as gone underground and we still have country trying to climb that ladder. But I don't know how relevant that is to LLMs/AI. It almost f…

> Are there examples of where we have collective decided not to pursue knowledge? Successfully?

Studying human bio-diversity since WW2 is the most obvious example, though it hasn't been entirely successful.

Genomics is what finally broke the barrier, especially in the last decade or so.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by trollbridge »

swatcoder wrote: post #103
marcosdumay wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When mines pay a sizeable share of their profits as local taxes, and obey environmental regulations, people suddenly start to like them.

Can you point to some examples of where that's happening? These data centers are specifically being scouted for communities whose governance is too weak to negotiate for some "sizeable share of their profits" and too ill-prepared to have suitable environmental regulations on the books already. The Ivy League sharks planning these buildout initiatives are sharp people who are looking out for the interests of their emp…

This may sound crazy, but I’m glad the data centre being built near me (the new us-east-3) is being built by Amazon who pays lip service to local government and the community, as opposed to cartoon villain levels of saving a few pennies by forcing noise pollution on everyone else and everything else undesirable the other builders are doing.

Never thought I’d say that.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by sublinear »

dmix wrote: post #67

NYT reported today that Russia and China are funding anti-datacenter and anti-ai hysteria on western social media. Always easier to boost something already existing on social media than manufacture it themselves, then wildly blow it out of proportion to make it seem urgent and important.

What choice does that rag have? Of course they're going to backpedal and try to launder blame.

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by ekelsen »

mrdomino- wrote: post #110
ekelsen wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different from farming? It takes the limited resources of land and water from a community and sells the result for profit as food or fuel. The vast majority of profit is made downstream and outside the community. Golf courses being a traditional green place where people gather seems a bit far fetched to me when most of them are elite private clubs.

In farming, the result is food that can be eaten.

Golf courses don't do that either...

Re: AI 2040: Plan A

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Post by trollbridge »

supern0va wrote: post #79
WarmWash wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 22 golf courses within a 30 minute drive from me, and people here a losing their minds over datacenter water usage...

People are scared about the personal impact from AI, then backfill in justifications without even realizing they're doing it. If the equivalent numbers for electricity and water usage were being being used for streaming video, I seriously doubt people would be demanding no more Netflix data centers. The news story would immediately die.

Nobody wants their electric rates to go up, the local water utility to have to raise rates to build a bigger plant, all in exchange for also losing good white collar jobs. That’s currently what AI data centre builders are selling.
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