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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #24
apparent wrote: post #23

>In its lawsuit Friday, Apple accused Tang Tan, OpenAI’s chief hardware officer and a former Apple executive, of coaching his hires from Apple on how to evade Apple’s security processes for departing employees. The word "coaching" is very malleable, and could refer to perfectly legal conduct, or conduct that is illegal, unethical, or both. How would an OpenAI employee know what Apple's security processes for departin…

> How would an OpenAI employee know what Apple's security processes for departing employees are? The openAI employee in question is also a former Apple employee.

Not just any employee. A 24 year veteran and at the time of departure the VP of design for the iPhone and Apple Watch

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Post by brandon272 »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #37
yugioh3 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.

a "metal-finishing technique" _is_ an idea. joke

When you are bulk copying data off your former employer's network share, that is a lot more than "stealing ideas".

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Post by dofm »

nba456_ wrote: post #18

Reminds me of Apple suing Samsung. Why bother with the free market when you can just sue your competitors?

Some of the Apple/Samsung complaint was horseshit (and was a bit of a distraction because they knew they'd need to settle their suit with Nokia).

But it was design copying and IP infringement stuff: duplication of things already in the wild.

This is on another level. If any of this is true, it's extraordinary, and I think OpenAI will likely want to settle quickly, thus increasing Apple's AI-related earnings.

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Post by xnx »

calebio wrote: post #17
ErneX wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

Google/Waymo + Uber/Otto comes to mind here with Anthony Levandowski.

Google and Uber started as courtroom enemies, but probably had to commiserate some on Anthony Levandowski probably being the worst hire they both made.

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Post by xnx »

tangenter wrote: post #40
xnx wrote: post #38

A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

Meh. Consider that you had no choice and no say that your data out there, both present and historic as mined, aggregated and analyzed by data collectors, was used as a training set for the LLMs. I think you’re a tad too late with your warning. They’re already thieves and they know it. And they know you can’t and won’t do anything about it.

Public/crawlable data is very different from private/internal documents and code that employees might prompt with.

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

xnx wrote: post #38

A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

I’m not one to defend huge companies, but OpenAI is a huge company.

It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout, or it’s possible it’s limited to this specific group.

We know nothing beyond what Apple has alleged.

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Post by zeusk »

yugioh3 wrote: post #20
bigyabai wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.

Well their whole model is a stolen art collection :)
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