In these cases where they have to rehire someone, does the employee usually stay after? Wouldn't the workplace be kinda hostile now with the manager who fired you?
I don't know about other companies, but I don't really interact with my manager outside of 1 on 1s like once a quarter. Also, it's never his choice to fire someone, it's always from above. I'm sure if he was forced to lay someone off he'd be just as happy as they are to have them back.
Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
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Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#12A US administrative labor law judge judge found that software maker Atlassian had illegally fired an engineer after she pushed back against manager layoffs and other policy changes. > The ruling found that the engineer, Denise Unterwurzacher, had a federally backed right to make such comments because she made them as part of a collective effort to aid or protect co-workers. > The judge ordered the company to reinstat…
To me this reads as: Atlassian says it doesn’t want customers.
Happy to oblige. Our $100 million startup moved off Atlassian recently, and we couldn’t be happier.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#13In these cases where they have to rehire someone, does the employee usually stay after? Wouldn't the workplace be kinda hostile now with the manager who fired you?
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not a lawyer, but if they don't appeal and win, it will set a precedent that they'd (and other companies) have to pay out on any other employees fired for this reason. That will cost them more in the long run.
Trial courts can't set precedents. Only appellate courts can.
Of course, they won't stop firing employees who point out inconvenient truths, they'll just be more careful about the reasons they put in writing.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#16In these cases where they have to rehire someone, does the employee usually stay after? Wouldn't the workplace be kinda hostile now with the manager who fired you?
On the other hand they've shown everyone they have backbone and that Atlassian ss petty and engages in illegal retaliation. So the company may be forced to be on its best behavior with this person in the future.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not a lawyer, but if they don't appeal and win, it will set a precedent that they'd (and other companies) have to pay out on any other employees fired for this reason. That will cost them more in the long run.
Trial courts can't set precedents. Only appellate courts can.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trial courts can't set precedents. Only appellate courts can.
That's not really true at all. You just think that because you never hear about it. Stare decisis still applies at a trial level, but its scope is obviously much narrower. Moreover, most things really aren't that novel. Most importantly, its quite hard to research on this level and usually pointless because theres usually a higher level case anyway.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about other companies, but I don't really interact with my manager outside of 1 on 1s like once a quarter. Also, it's never his choice to fire someone, it's always from above. I'm sure if he was forced to lay someone off he'd be just as happy as they are to have them back.
A lot of companies have 1 on 1s weekly.
Re: Software Engineer's Firing Ruled Illegal in a Rare Win for a Tech Worker
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> Atlassian said it planned to appeal the ruling, however. I think it'd be cheaper to keep her at this point. I'd tell your lawyer's egos to take a chill pill.
It's not the lawyer's decision, it's the client's