Why American ambulance rides are so expensive
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#452Cost in Bulgaria: $0
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#453I've treated people with panic disorder who, if there were no cost involved, would probably have called an ambulance monthly for suspected heart attacks. I wonder how countries with universal healthcare coverage deal with the lack of a (dis)incentive here. Maybe they just eat the cost?
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#454As much as I like articles that tries to use economics or finance to explain stuff, the "options" analogy is a bit hamfisted. The article starts off by noting about how ambulance is an "option" for a rescue, but even though the analogy might vaguely work, it's not really needed to answer the question. That can be answered far more simply: "medicare and insurance companies pay them too little, so they have to charge e…
> The average ambulance transport costs $2,673 to provide I think this ignores the 400 pound gorilla in the room. Why does an ambulance transport cost thousands for the operator? This is a short trip in an automobile, essentially a fancy uber ride. At first one might say that's flippant - obviously ambulances are specialized vehicles, and you have paramedics, and they need to get to locations quickly, and so forth, b…
A new ambulance will probably run 2-4x what you quoted. Gas/maintenance will not be comparable to a regular automobile; it will be significantly higher. Paramedic wage (though there will probably be more "cheaper" EMTs out there than paramedics) seems right, maybe a little high for some markets. $12k for liability seems shockingly low; I wouldn't be surprised if you're off by an order of magnitude.
Regarding salaries, you're not just paying for the people in the ambulance. You're paying for dispatch, operators, support staff, administration, etc. You're also paying them 24/7, not just for the times that the ambulances are actually making trips.
You also left out the cost of medical supplies and equipment, both of which need to be maintained and replaced.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even some parts of the US have found solutions. From the article: > In Tulsa and Oklahoma City, meanwhile, the government buys staffed unit-hours from an ambulance operator, while households can prepay a few dollars a month on their utility bill and owe nothing if the ambulance ever comes.
billed for buying unit-hours from an operator... that's very carefully worded to make it sound like a corporation customer relationship and not socialism .
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
All nations are nations of immigrants other than maybe the cradle of humankind. They stop being that generally when the state and benefits get so expensive that administrating them and paying for them becomes a huge burden. The original immigrants to America fought the land and many died to tame it. Coming now to take is not the same thing. Particularly when you can fly in, give birth to an American, and fly out agai…
Immigrants provide a net economic benefit on average. If they work here, they spend here. They tend to be younger and with our aging demographics it’s really important that we have more young people entering the workforce.
- no-one's talking about immigration in general. They're talking about mass immigration. So any general "look how immigration can be good" is not addressing the issue.
- mass immigration means that housing becomes scarce, driving up prices. This again makes GDP look good, because stamp duty revenue goes up and so do estate agent fees. But all the many negative externalities, such as everyone is now buying houses 10 years later, and leaning on their parents, and their dwellings are all being subdivided because even a tiny place is now worth renting out or selling, are totally ignored. The housing costs drive every other cost up. Minimum wage / living wage needs to skyrocket just to combat this one thing, both because people need more money to pay for their own accommodation, and people need to afford goods and services that are all also being made more expensive because their salary costs need to increase for the same reason.
- mass immigration spikes up demand for power. Power is often a large capital investment, which means that the country borrows a load of money from Macquarie Group to build it, with lots of interest paid back over decades. Seems to generate GDP as people are being paid to build things; actually a net negative all told over the lifetime of the investment.
- the same as power but for water.
- the same as power but for roads. Traffic and congestion are now being actively managed by computerised systems because there are so many cars on the road.
- the same as power but for pollution. Another negative externality of driving up population for GDP reasons. Every person imported is more pollution generated in and by the local country.
It's important we have young people entering the workforce. But adding more people from external sources is not sustainable. When they all get old do we import more people? Or should we just be repurposing the millions of young people who are doing less important but less icky jobs to do the jobs that we're currently getting immigrants to do. "Who will pick the cotton?" is not a good question.
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#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are stories where the air ambulance sues patients who are still in ICU because getting paid depends on being first in line to file the lawsuit.
Personally, I've never seen anything like this. Usually it's billing company who sues, not providers dierctly - again, from my experience.