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Late Bronze Age Collapse

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Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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The Iron Age can be researched at your Town Center, but the Post-Iron Age isn't a real age, it's just an extra setting on the map settings menu that starts you in the Iron Age with everything already researched.

It was a Gold, Silver, Bronze joke. :(

I got it. It is a good one :)

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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My pet hypothesis is : That trade networks, in times of collapse- become sort of superspreader networks of downfall. Think about that city state who runs out of food by the sea! It still has all the trading vessels- whats more logic then to go - and take over somebody elses city and ships! Piracy of the damned! Stealing the food from the starving, just to give there families one more day! Following the coast- until y…

The Ottoman embargo of Western Europe leading to the collapse of the Aztecs supports your hypothesis. The other sea people.

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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Eric Cline is great - when i had a tooth removed in a somewhat nasty procedure i spent a Caturday hepped up on goofballs watching his videos on LBA while playing Hatshepsut on Diety in Civ VII 1.4 (i got to play test 1.3.2 via Firaxis via discord, ooh la la i call a car hole a garage) in my personal "immersive learning" period starting 2021, i discovered acoup.blog when Old World came out and extended into reading wh…

its been a while since ive read a comment somewhere that I am so completely bewildered by. I understand about half the words, and none of the references, that you wrote. Hope your teeth are doing better now!

Caturday -> Saturday enjoyed with or similar to a cat

LBA -> probably supposed to be LBAC, Late Bronze Age collapse

Civ -> Civilization, a series of historically inspired strategy games, where you play as the historical leader of a civilization through the ages of human development

Hatshepsut -> an Egyptian Pharaoh who is one of the leaders you can play as in Civ VII

Deity -> the name of the highest difficulty level in Civ VII

Firaxis -> the company that develops the Civilization series

Discord -> a chat app/service often used in gaming communities

ooh la la i call a car hole a garage -> a reference to a joke in The Simpsons, where a character complains someone else thinks they're fancy because they use the word "garage", and when challenged on an alternative, he calls it "car hole"

Old World -> a game similar to the Civilization series

CK III -> Crusader Kings III, another game similar to Civilization

Plague -> probably Plague Inc, a game where you play as a pathogen trying to infect and kill the entirety of humanity

Contagion -> a movie about the start of a pandemic

Rest of the references I can't help with. Also no idea why they would mention the playtest of Civ VII version 1.3.2.

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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If there had been a massive migration of hundreds of thousands of people, and even more so hundreds of thousands of slaves, from late bronze age Egypt (a powerful, old, highly literate kingdom), we would expect to find significant evidence of this (inscriptions, local stories, migration sites, etc). The absence of any such evidence, while not conclusive proof of course, constitutes evidence against this event happeni…

>We also know for example that the types of beliefs detailed in Exodus, especially the idea that the Israelites worshiped Yahweh alone as the only God, are not historical. Belief and worship of other gods were common in both the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah long after the supposed time that the Exodus happened - in particular El (who was later associated with Yahweh) and Asherah (who was sometimes seen as the…

Calling it idolatry is ahistorical though. Worshipping yhwh alone came much later.

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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post #55

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Who ever thought the idea of biofuel was a good one? Is it just as much a blatant jobs program as it seems?

It's the result of politics, and that's not always pretty.

What isn't the result of politics? This is a bad explanation—how is there so little will to act in rational self interest?

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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It's wasteful in the sense that we are exploiting lots of land for the limited value it brings.

The vast majority is grown on marginal land, just above pasture. They can't grow better crops without massive works of engineering and tons more fertilizer and energy use. The alternative is to just use slightly less of that land, because the animals are going to have to replace that feed from somewhere. Distillers grains are valuable because the fat and protein are used for finishing cattle for human consumption in…

Of course, it also destroys the topsoil without careful management

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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post #76

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its been a while since ive read a comment somewhere that I am so completely bewildered by. I understand about half the words, and none of the references, that you wrote. Hope your teeth are doing better now!

Caturday -> Saturday enjoyed with or similar to a cat LBA -> probably supposed to be LBAC, Late Bronze Age collapse Civ -> Civilization, a series of historically inspired strategy games, where you play as the historical leader of a civilization through the ages of human development Hatshepsut -> an Egyptian Pharaoh who is one of the leaders you can play as in Civ VII Deity -> the name of the highest difficulty level…

“Caturday hepped up on goofballs [after dental work] -> I was high on opiates on Saturday

Caturday -> Saturday

Hepped -> Novel synonym for “high” likely influenced by the jazz slang word ‘hep’ which means ‘hip’ or ‘cool’

Goofballs -> 5/500 hydrocodone/APAP, aka Vicodin. The gold standard tooth pain prescription drug, an opioid. In this context.

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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Doesn't the English monarchy claim lineage back to David?

No, they don't. But they do claim lineage to Alfred the Great, whose lineage is traced by legendary sources to Woden/Odin, and from there to Noah and Adam. In some versions, Beowulf is also part of that lineage.

Okay, so maybe the family doesn't but others do. There's the Davidic throne concept people believe that does claim that lineage exists. These are usually religious types though.

Re: Late Bronze Age Collapse

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Seems to be a popular topic. Historian Eric H. Cline has multiple books citing this time period, specifically 1117 BCE as the inflection point for the bronze age "collapse", defined by a deterioration of international shipping routes that weakened the nation-states of the era. I've learned about it recently because YouTube began recommending videos about it. For example: https://youtu.be/choxcHXhZhE?is=t5lDwQQpqPsE2k…

It injects some really interesting color into the Tanakh/Old Testament - I'm not sure anyone has definitively lined up the Bronze Age Collapse with Biblical events, but it sure seems to have happened somewhere between the Exodus and King David. One can easily see the events leading to the Exodus being enabled by (or causing, depending on who you ask!) the weakening of Egypt, and the period in Joshua and Judges descri…

It's worth noting that historically, Israel and Judah are iron age settlements. This makes references to the authors of the tanakh "bronze age sheepherders" wildly inaccurate at best and mostly offensively reductionist.
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