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AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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I will state plainly that I do not think you are asking this maliciously, and that instead you are asking from curiosity. From that perspective, though, I am a bit flabbergasted. Are you truly curious as to how it might not be A Good Thing that those engaging in high-finance capitalistic money making programs would have access to forcefully engaging a human being's brain into activity, with or without their consent,…

> Are you truly curious as to how it might not be A Good Thing that those engaging in high-finance capitalistic money making programs would have access to forcefully engaging a human being's brain into activity, with or without their consent, to such an extent as to drive motivations and bias neuronal activation that leads to what they think is a choice? I guess I just don't think this is the topic at hand. What you'…

This just strikes me as the false dichotomy that there are two option; complete freedom of choice, and complete mind control that you are physically incapable of resisting. That as long as you are not physically incapable of, say turning off a video, that there is no problem. Just because you can stop using crack doesn't mean it isn't dangerously addictive. Just because you can say no to someone holding a gun to your head does not mean it isn't incredibly coercive.

Also this seems to ignore that people can be influenced or manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Like the people that say that marketing doesn’t work on them, failing to see that every interaction with the products and services they buy and use are curated in some way to influence and manipulate them.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Ads efficacy, of course.

Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by…

> pyramids

The pyramids were not built by slaves, and while we can waffle around about "all labor is exploitative to some extent", it doesn't take exploitation-maxxing to drive great achievements. Most great modern achievements are driven by a desire for self-actualization or recognition, not survival.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyram...

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by…

Can’t tell if this is satirical or serious. Those ancient wonders were enabled by slave labor, treating people as “capital” is the ultimate climax of capitalism.

> Those ancient wonders were enabled by slave labor

This is not true of the Pyramids

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyram...

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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The sci-fi hand wringing is embarrassing. A huge chunk of the population is afflicted with mental health issues and the best psychitrists can seem to do is "Oh bro, wanna try some ketamine? Anti-psychotics?? Maybe some SSRIs, how about psychdelics?!" - this is a joke. Im all for more neuroscience research in every form because our contemporary understanding is embarassingly poor. This is a research tool for understanding what visual brain regions encode, not a mind-control device. Better models of brain function may eventually improve diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. Calling every neuroscience advance "Black Mirror" is not ethical insight. It saddens me the reaction so many commentors have here, it is just lazy technological illiteracy imo.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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An anecdote, but some reason to think that overworking part of your brain is a bad idea: I had an Aunt who had dementia. This is obviously a terrible outlook. But her and my Uncle seemed to be doing okay. My Uncle was an ultra-competent guy, highly stable, the person you could rely on; and had been his whole adult life. So it was shocking when he had a mental breakdown and became manic. There was probably something p…

I'm not sure it's about overworking as much as stress - stress is a known potential trigger for manic episodes. Typically in people who already have some biological potential for experiencing it. And the stress of having your partner come down with dementia and suddenly becoming their full-time caregiver must be absolutely massive.

But re the underlying physical thing: You might look back and be able to spot some episodes of hypomania in your uncle's life. Perhaps just reduced sleep, or twinges of paranoia, or periods of on-again/off-again hyperproductivity, etc.

Hope that if this story is recent he's doing well. The recent generations of medications to prevent and treat mania are a huge improvement on the ones available in the past, so fingers crossed.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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if you're interested in completing it, check out the 30th anniversary audiobook, it just came out a few months ago, very accessible

Curious how the audiobook deals with the end notes? They are crucial imo.

it interleaves the end note in the text at the point where the endnote is referenced (by number), reads the endnote, and then sounds a bell to indicate that we've returned to the main text.

Sometimes endnotes reference other endnotes and you have to wait until the point in the text, e.g. endnote 304 is referenced from earlier endnotes than it occurs in the text (rather late in the book) and you just have to wait until endnote 304 is read to find out what it is. that's a bit of a disadvantage, but infinite jest is the kind of book that you really need to read multiple times in order to get it anyways.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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> until the planet burns down. Common misconception. We won't kill the planet even if we tried to. Wed make it too hard to sustain billions of humans, sure. But they are very different things

Like a burned out brick building, a burned down planet is still there, but still also burned down. Of course it doesn't 'disappear'

Not even close chief.

Earth has been a rich, life sustaining planet in far hotter conditions then anything we are projected to take it to.

We can kill billions of ourselves, but short of ww3 earth will crack on just fine.

Social media emotional hot-takes dont match the numbers.

We are still screwed though.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Social media is not even the worst threat vector, in my opinion. It’s Anthropic/OpenAI/Google, whom people are giving an unprecedented level of access to their innermost thoughts. We have not yet seen* the kind of large-scale, individually targeted psychological manipulation that cloud AI products can deliver. And I have no doubt the likes of Dario Amodei and Sam Altman will show us, if we give them enough time. * I…

Social media is also AI now, so I don't really see the difference.

depends. I, for one, take control of what I consume on social media. Bluesky's design allows this. YouTube also, if you turn off recommendations, lose watch history, and vet your subscriptions

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Social media is also AI now, so I don't really see the difference.

depends. I, for one, take control of what I consume on social media. Bluesky's design allows this. YouTube also, if you turn off recommendations, lose watch history, and vet your subscriptions

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