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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by pfortuny »

fosk wrote: post #719

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why: - The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully. - The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it. - Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes…

That summurizes it pretty well. The Commission is essentially omnipotent, and there is no relevat judiciary to stop it.

This is farcical.

Yes, from a PURELY MONETARY viewpoint, Brexit was a disaster. But there are more important things than money.

I'm from Spain btw.

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Post by stateofinquiry »

imtringued wrote: post #716
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #616

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sure, but people shouldn't lie about what the current consequence of things are either. I'm pretty sure I'm closer to death and homelessness than Xavier Moreau is. on edit: also I think the whole death and homelessness worry expressed seems sort of weird, because I think the normal order would be homelessness and death. I may die soon, but in that context I will not actually be worrying about homelessness. Maybe that…

Xavier Moreau is not in the EU so a travel ban that prevents him from leaving the EU obviously does not affect him. The sanctions only affect the seized assets. Meanwhile Jacques Baud is a Swiss Citizen in the EU and the sanctions ban him from leaving the EU, which makes the EU a de facto open air prison for him.

> the EU a de facto open air prison for him.

de facto a person can take a train into Switzerland from the EU (France, for example) with no border control. Or arrive by car. Once in Switzerland flights out are possible for a Swiss citizen. So I believe your statement is untrue.

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Post by hniscensorship »

fosk wrote: post #719

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why: - The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully. - The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it. - Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes…

Just like HN. Undemocratic and full of censorship and disinformation.

Unintelligent authoritarians run amok.

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Post by lifty »

debugnik wrote: post #648
lifty wrote: post #623

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46 of 53 Greens/European Free Alliance MEPs voted to reject this, 3 abstained. Which greens you mean? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 Check the political groups tab. Yes means reject here.

My bad. The only point I was trying to make is that there’s no left vs right conclusions that you can draw from this.

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Post by omnimus »

the_mar wrote: post #714
omnimus wrote: post #656

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Where did you get that impression? The main driver for Chat Control 2.0 is lobby org Internet Watch Foundation where Apple one of the main donors (along with Meta, Google, Microsoft, OpenAI)

because we all can agree child porn is bad and just because a company donates to a charity doesn't mean they get to dictate their policies

In a same way - just because a charity claims they want to solve child porn doesn't mean that their real aim is to help their donors.

In any case the OP claimed "Apple is wholly against Chat Control." i don't think it's so wholly if Apple financially supports biggest pro Chat Control proponents. Even if Apple is aware of it or not.

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Post by fnord123 »

budududuroiu wrote: post #42
mrtksn wrote: post #14

FTA: What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same: *What is coming back:* US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. *What remains unchanged:* Public social media posts and files h…

The Internet Watch Foundation, the group, funded almost entirely by big tech, who pushed for this vote to be held under emergency procedure, is already at work lobbying for the end of E2EE [1]. In a couple years time, Chat Control 2.0 will come about, and the same tyrants will use the EU admission [2] that there is no evidence that suspicionless scanning of private communications has led to an increase in criminal co…

This is really strange since the European Commission strongly recommends that staff use Signal[1].

[1]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26073615-c-2025-5430...

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Post by fosk »

munksbeer wrote: post #767
fosk wrote: post #747

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The Council of the European Union - that pushed this forward - is composed of national ministers that are directly elected to the Council itself and are simply there because they are appointed as ministers under their own country's constitutional system. Ministers are appointed, not elected. Unlike the European Parliament which is directly elected by EU citizens. Conveniently, the EU citizens have been silenced on th…

This is a bizarre argument. Emmanuel Macron sits on the EU Council. He has no democratic mandate? The entire point of the EU design is that ultimately the member states national governments (the heads of) are the most powerful and set the direction. It was done this way because people didn't like the idea of EU ministers. There was even a huge objection to the change that introduced the Parliament, the MEPs that you…

The EU Council and the Council of the European Union are two different bodies.

Macron sits in the EU Council and it has nothing to do with this.

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Post by hniscensorship »

zkmon wrote: post #748
fosk wrote: post #719

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why: - The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully. - The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it. - Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes…

Some folks (mostly Americans) tend to think that their laws, their definitions of terms like "democracy", their beliefs, their norms, their culture - are all universal. You need to specify which EU laws does this violate. "undemocratic" by your definition. There is no universally precise definition of "democratic". Because I'm sure EU council knows how to be democratic by their own definition of the term. They have a…

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Post by fosk »

munksbeer wrote: post #768
gls2ro wrote: post #759

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> Ministers are appointed, not elected. I dont understand this line of reasoning about EU: Ministers are appointed by people we vote. In most democracies the entire government is appointed and maybe indirect voted as a whole (by parliament and maybe directly by citizens). What I am trying to say is people who proposed this are representatives of those countries (even if indirect their citizens votes vor the party tha…

The design of the EU which gives the member states elected politicians (heads of state) the most power is very intentional.

You are confusing the EU Council with the Council of the European Union.

No head of state was involved in the discussion we are having today.

By the way my personal opinion is that the confusing names are by design, to give the appearance that head of states are involved in decisions that have nothing to do with them, democracy in the EU is just an illusion.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

flumpcakes wrote: post #763
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #236

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Getting the criminals is not the point here, mass control is. How many of your friends do this now? The criminals might do it, but why, when they can just meet in person and talk there, without a digital recording of what they talk? Combine the 'age verification' (show your ID when you register) with this (we can read what you type), add some AI (to profile the people), and you have all the info you'd ever want on an…

Any evidence what so ever for the "mass control" claim? I do not want E2E comms broken, but these posts on hackernews always bring out such outlandish claims. You can't be applying the "mass control" claim for the attempts at stopping the spread of CSAM? So can you point to any evidence of wide spread "mass control" with Chat Control 1.0?

Because it's control of what we send and it's done en-masse.

I was born in a communist country (with red stars, a communist party and a dictator), and even back then, the government requiring post office workers to read (and photocopy) our mail would seem absurd, but now, somehow it's ok, because "it's on the internet". And yes, CSAM could be sent via normal mail too.

Same for every repressive thing... if you went to a bar, and had to show your id, have it logged, and someone would write down when you came, who you sat with and how long you've talked, that would seem absurd even then... but now, since "it's on the internet", storing metadata is somehow ok.

Stop protecting the governments, if they wanted to stop pedos, they have the whole epstein list, and they don't care about it.

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