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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by PunchyHamster »

vaylian wrote: post #738
fosk wrote: post #719

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why: - The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully. - The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it. - Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes…

Hard disagree on the conclusion. I agree that the commission and the council have made very unfair moves and it's justified to call them out for it. But we have also seen that the parliament (except for the EPP) was for the most part eager to listen to what people had to say about chat control.

AND IGNORED IT

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by ben_w »

Jtarii wrote: post #286
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real time notifications here would solve a lot of issues... Imagine Alice, an 18, 19yo girl, having a boyfriend, Bob, and since Bob is on a student exchange, she decides to send him a boob photo. Since alice is skinny, her boobs are on the smaller side. Now imagine Alice hitting 'Send', and getting an automated message from whatever CSAM AI bot: "Your message has not been sent, the system detected the breasts in the…

I think a more realistic system would be hashing images and comparing them to known CSAM in some database. I think Apple was going to implement something like this a few years ago before scrapping it.

That assumes no new material is being created.

"But the call was coming from inside the house": https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by thin_carapace »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #713
thin_carapace wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no experience with the way children are raised in asia and am horrified that this phenomenon is not constrained to one particular region

Why did you think it was?

I hoped that my tunnel visioned perspective only applied to that which I could see. to be fair according to another commentor asian kids don't get pushed brain rot, so I suppose there are degrees to this

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by thin_carapace »

Hugsbox wrote: post #736
protocolture wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but the opening quote doesn't say "I agree with this poster that these kids will be retarded"

My brother in christ, please, reading comprehension. The opening quote is saying that a child's formative years will decide how they turn out.

recommend to quickly spit out the bait before you get hooked

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by thin_carapace »

Hugsbox wrote: post #734
Eueudhsbsj32 wrote: post #540

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Why just western kids? Cell phone and tablet use by little kids in Asia is on a whole other level.

The content children in Asia are exposed to seems to be entirely different in nature. For instance, with Tiktok: it intentionally pushes brainrot content for western users, while in China it pushes educational and in general positive content. Speaking only from what I've read on the subject, and I'm entirely willing to accept that I'm wrong about that, but the point remains that the screens aren't the issue, it's the…

did you read any studies that accounted for brain rot short form content vs non brain rot short form content? from my n=1 sample, this content format is universally destructive, regardless as to specific information conveyed

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by RealityVoid »

sevenzero wrote: post #606
pharos92 wrote: post #598

I no longer hold the belief that The West is moral or good-faith actor. In my lifetime I've watch the state go from being relatively benign, to maintaining face, to all-out racket, corruption and anti-democratic behaviour. I sympathise with both left-wing and right-wing sentiment. The system no longer works by-and-for the people. Call it elite capture, call it communism. My view is we're dealing with a Janus-like sys…

But this is the direct result of Europes shift to right wing parties and corruption? How can you sympathize with the right-wing sentiment?

I would have expected the right wing parties to be against this, somehow, but... Nope, just checked my country's votes, and nationalists just love cc1.0 it seems.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by fosk »

munksbeer wrote: post #739
fosk wrote: post #733

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Parliament rejects the proposal: https://oeil.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/en/procedure-file/pdf?r... Council pushes it forward: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2026... From the last article: "The Council position will now be examined by the European Parliament, under second reading.". Note that this is technically accurate under absolute majority rules for rejection (not for approving), but practi…

The EU Council are the democratically elected leaders of the member states. How is them deciding the direction not "democratic"?

The Council of the European Union - that pushed this forward - is composed of national ministers that are directly elected to the Council itself and are simply there because they are appointed as ministers under their own country's constitutional system. Ministers are appointed, not elected.

Unlike the European Parliament which is directly elected by EU citizens. Conveniently, the EU citizens have been silenced on this matter despite the Parliament denying this full proposal not once, but twice.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by zkmon »

fosk wrote: post #719

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why: - The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully. - The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it. - Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes…

Some folks (mostly Americans) tend to think that their laws, their definitions of terms like "democracy", their beliefs, their norms, their culture - are all universal.

You need to specify which EU laws does this violate. "undemocratic" by your definition. There is no universally precise definition of "democratic". Because I'm sure EU council knows how to be democratic by their own definition of the term. They have an army of legal pundits who ensure that everything is done correctly within their legal framework.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by joe_mamba »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #536
joe_mamba wrote: post #422

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Jacques Baud (Swiss) and Xavier Moreau (French) citizens, got sanctioned by the EU[1] on the basis of "acting as mouthpieces for pro-Russian propaganda and spreading conspiracy theories". Sanctioning means asset freezes, debanking and travel bans, virtually a slow and painful sentence to homelessness and death since you won't be able to travel, have a bank account, a job, own or rent anything under sanctions. I don't…

Were they found to be guilty of “acting as mouthpieces for pro-Russian propaganda and spreading conspiracy theories"? If so, well…

Nobody can be guilty of anything without a fair trial. Some bureaucrats power tripping acting as judge jury and executioners without trial is the definition of totalitarian tyranny.

Nobody, even law abiding citizens, wants to be under such an unaccountable legal system. Justifying it because it was used "only" against pro-Russians is insane. Today it's against them, tomorrow it will be against anyone who criticizes the EU leaders. That's how boiling the frog works. That's how fascists always did it.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by flumpcakes »

IanCal wrote: post #429
sneak wrote: post #263

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> What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. They are already allowed to do this, and already are doing this. When you provide data to the service provider in a non-e2ee fashion, it's the…

They aren’t allowed to do whatever they want with your data, there’s strict restrictions on requiring consent for things you want to do with user data.

I assume those 400-page EULAs blast away any 'strict restrictions'.
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