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AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by qsera »

zx8080 wrote: post #31
jeffrallen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Progress, but towards what?

Ads efficacy, of course.

Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by mass exploitation.

Without ads and exploitation of the masses, none of these would not be possible.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by fnoef »

qsera wrote: post #61
zx8080 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads efficacy, of course.

Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by…

Please tell me how ads help science research or why should I care about space exploration or LLMs that threaten me and hundreds of thousands of other peoples jobs?

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by customguy »

Unearned5161 wrote: post #49

This is very similar to last week with that mind reading startup thing. Please read the paper before commenting. This is a tool to help researchers in figuring out what different parts of the brain are actually for with less experimenter bias contamination of “well we think maybe it’s about this so let’s show it video of x to see”. The essence runs on having someone sit in a scanner for a couple hours watching all so…

What is a "purpose"? Something people wish something would only be used for, right? How does it relate to, what influence does it have on what something will end up being used for?

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by x______________ »

da_grift_shift wrote: post #52
Unearned5161 wrote: post #49

This is very similar to last week with that mind reading startup thing. Please read the paper before commenting. This is a tool to help researchers in figuring out what different parts of the brain are actually for with less experimenter bias contamination of “well we think maybe it’s about this so let’s show it video of x to see”. The essence runs on having someone sit in a scanner for a couple hours watching all so…

>Expose brain to something, record it somehow, see if brains reaction in the recording helps you understand more about who we are and what cognition is. It also helps companies like Moonbug Entertainment (Candle Media) understand how to build better Distractatrons. It’s a small TV screen, placed a few feet from the larger one, that plays a continuous loop of banal, real-world scenes — a guy pouring a cup of coffee, s…

> ...the Distractatron

I can see it now.. The Distractatrons: a new chapter of protagonists in Transformers! The modern equivalent of evil in this day and age of ADHD and low attention span!

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Post by jurgenburgen »

qsera wrote: post #61
zx8080 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads efficacy, of course.

Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by…

Can’t tell if this is satirical or serious. Those ancient wonders were enabled by slave labor, treating people as “capital” is the ultimate climax of capitalism.

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

voidmain wrote: post #12

We are really getting to the point where the tech industry must be stopped if humanity is to continue at all, let alone thrive.

I share your concern but the generalization is improper (that as solution would be infinitely far worst than the problem)

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

p-e-w wrote: post #33
tefkah wrote: post #16

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This does indeed seem comically evil. While surely this may provide somewhat interesting insights in how our brain processes things, this seems squarely past the "should" part of "you scientists were so obsessed with whether you could you failed to consider whether you should"

> This does indeed seem comically evil. And I have yet to see a single paper like this where a researcher bails out and publicly says they refuse to work on such projects. Not one. The most benign interpretation of this observation is that science is filled with spineless opportunists who don’t care who they hurt with what they create. A slightly less benign interpretation might be that many of these people are doing…

I was asked to train a neural network do detect how much pain a mouse was in- our partner company would be responsible for hurting and filming the mice. I refused and subsequently quit- this produced no paper and I don’t know if they got someone else to do it. I probably should have done something stronger.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

sebastiennight wrote: post #25
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #8

My brain never liked vertical video, shortform content and AI slop. Is my brain different or am I just a grumpy millenial hipster?

My current theory is that these are similar to cigarettes. Nobody likes the first draft, it burns your lungs, your entire body wants to reject it. But the nicotine stimulates just the right receptors so that if you keep at it for just long enough, you'll be hooked and start disregarding the terrible taste, smell, tar in your lungs, and yellowing of your teeth. All of this to say, if you subjected yourself to just eno…

As a teenager, I tried to get addicted to cigarettes so I could stand by the cool kids and smoke with them. I started smoking 4-6 cigarettes a day but hated it so much, I couldn't continue after a week or two...

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by idiotsecant »

ben_w wrote: post #3

As others on Telegram have said: automated search for visual superstimuli likely leads to bad outcomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLIT_(short_story) Also: one of the V3A animations reminds me loosely of things I saw when I was a kid, at night, shortly before I slept (though my experience then was more circular).

There are undoubtedly 'adversarial images' that will induce certain effects in particular biological minds. It seems like this is neither good or bad inherently, just another tool.
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